I’ve been following this theory since I first beat the game in December of '99. Just trying to spread the “good word,” as this game a (and FF7) are wayyyy underrated.
Also my GF made me forget I had wanted to visit the all the Ultimecia theory posts!
That’s entirely conjecture, in the realm of fanfic. The game obviously doesn’t contradict that, but nor does it actually indicate it anywhere.
FF7 underrated? Nope. And FF8 seems to generate far more fanfics than it’s healthy >runs before the ire of ff8 fanfic writers<.
I doubt one can really call FF games underrated.
Yep, I think that FF8 makes up about somewhere between 40%-60% of the RPGC fanfic archive, at least. I don’t really understand why.
Its not entirely conjecture. In fact, it’s more of a guess to say that they aren’t the same person, as then you’d have to explain how U. got Griever, which is in no way addressed ever in the game. There is more proof of R = U than otherwise.
To say that’s fanfic is proof of a gamer who can’t read between the lines.
Weii, I’m glad I’m not the only one who doesn’t understand why > >
Perhaps writers dig the uniform?
Don’t talk about it like it’s some scientific theory with powerful minds debating it. This “theory” probably originated from some guy who said it as a joke. Then it probably caught on with gullible fools who think they discovered some dark, powerful secret that Square obviously wanted to hide from the world. You kids derive your worth from the stupidest shit.
Its not entirely conjecture. In fact, it’s more of a guess to say that they aren’t the same person, as then you’d have to explain how U. got Griever, which is in no way addressed ever in the game. There is more proof of R = U than otherwise.
I’ve already discussed this more often than I feel like (that is, once). It’s a stupid theory and the “evidence” is only there if you’re already looking for it. Squall never had Griever - that is, he never had a big Guardian Force named Griever, so the fact that Ultimecia has one means exactly nothing. I am not going to go through any of the rest of it, because it’s all just as shaky. Leave it.
There are missionaries for R=U now? What’s next, St. Heartilly’s First United?
It is entirely conjecture. The word conjecture means conclusions based on incomplete evidence. The game offers nothing conclusive about time, roles, even the laws of physics, as characters apparently get shot without suffering death. There are a great deal of assumptions, including lifespan and future events being what they are. There’s also the issue of GF’s. We have no idea how they erase memories, the long-term effects, or the frequency of use, if memories are just suppressed or ever become erased permanently. There’s no reason to assume that Rinoa’s facial features were somehow ‘altered’ by any means. No idea how the nature of sorceresses death works, in regard to passing on their powers. And no idea about the nature of Griever. All the points trying to prove the R=U theory only make sense while already assuming the theory is true. That’s called circular reasoning and is never acceptable in an argument as locical.
If you want a good example of a solid theory with evidence that’s not conjecture, look at Adel’s tomb affecting radio waves, or Laguna being Squall’s dad. It’s never explicitly stated but statements near the end of the game, and the moombas in D-District show that it’s the case.
The simplest explanation is often the best one. And since there is nothing that explicitly connects Rinoa and Ultimecia in a simple manner, we must conclude that there is no evidence that Rinoa and Ultimecia are the same person. The best evidence that they are not, is that Square never put anything in the game about it. If Square thought that Rinoa=Ultimecia would be a good plot point, they would have shown something about it. The only evidence these people have to offer are combining game physics that were used as plot points in unrelated parts of the game (Ex. memory loss for the orphanage). And that’s not conjecture.
An excellent diatribe on this topic can be found at GameFAQs “Time/Ultimecia Plot FAQ”, which, in much more detail than you’d ever want, disproves the R=U theory.
This could explain your dilemma:
Originally Posted by Evangelion
id’ like to say that I am Squall but
Originally Posted by Heaven’s Soldier
Personally, I’m a bit like Squall. I just don’t like relying on others, when I can do it by myself.
Originally Posted by Darkness Beckons
I’m also like Squall in that I dislike relying on anyone, rarely speak and think about everything way too much. And most of the things I do say are unintentionally funny.
Originally Posted by Kero Hazel
I don’t see what’s so unlikeable about Squall. I identify a lot with both him
Originally Posted by Merlin
am probably most like Laguna with a dash of Squall (FF8).
Originally Posted by Tenchimaru Draconis
Everybody here is like Squall due to their utter lack of likeable personalities.
I am definitely NOT like Squall. If anything, I’m probably more like Zidane without the skirt-chasing.
I’m comparitive to Locke rather than Squall
Let me grace you with the poem
“Squall’s mind: maybe”
As I stand there,
With my fury,
I see my foe,
slide apart.
With a bright,
flash of light,
my blade,
fires into the flesh.
Now with my friend and enemy,
out of the way,
I can chase after and do,
my job.
Sigh. At least Squall was a step up from Cloud. Not that it takes a lot to do that. Those angsty heroes -nobody loves me. Yet I’m deep. Really- almost make me wish for the goody two shoes to come back. A bit better character design would be a good idea. (Not taking into account FF9&10 which I haven’t really followed)
I can’t believe someone said FF7 was underrated. Thats about the dumbest thing I’ve ever, ever heard.
To explain, Ultimecia IS NOT Rinoa.
The plot line was that Utimecia came from the distant future. SeeD was indirectly her creation as her fear of them killing her made them a reality. If Ultimecia has any actual relation to Rinoa, it would be as a successor after many others before her.
As the FF8 Ultimania narrates: a Sorceress lives longer than a person but still must die. If they refuse to accept this fate, the power within them will itself out with great suffering on the sorceress until the power passed onto another.
that just doesent make sense
Zhare: It does, the ultimate goal of Ultimecia is immortaity. By compressing time, she would become a living god (her final form in the final battle was a taste of what she would evolve to). But it was also the result of her fear of death by SeeD, which is a part of her destiny to be killed by them AND create the conditions for SeeD’s founding.
it doesent make sense that she is Rinoa
Zhare]: I said SHE IS NOT RINOA. Read carefully. Now distant decendant, maybe.