Porn.

I agree with Kero and present an easy alternative: if you don’t want your guy to be beating off to other women when you don’t wanna fuck him, give him something you would feel comfortable with him beating off to that would remind him of you :P. Hint.

I hate women, cuz they have the organs I wish -I- had! I’m sure everyone feels the same, right guys? right?

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It does nothing of the sort, the quote wasn’t “All men have to have sex and/or masturbate 24 hours a day”, and as Cless said it was from a humor sitcom. Where is this enlightened male indignity coming from anyway Hades? Aren’t you one of the people that can’t stop talking about breasts and penises for five godamn seconds in the chat?

The problem with that is that porn is usually made by professional producers who know better than you do what’s going to turn you on, with women who have made it their career to turn guys on instantly through a televised (non-physical) medium, whereas most people’s girlfriends are hardly porn stars. And since the male drive for sex is hardly related to a guy’s morals or, heaven help us, his fidelity, he’ll probably end up going to the produced porn made by people who know what they’re doing, rather than the porn made by his girlfriend who loves him, but frankly, doesn’t have quite the expertise in appealing directly to a guy’s sex drive, which is NOT a personal thing (even though, like I said before, she is definitely better at loving him - which IS a personal thing - than pornography is - and that’s what a relationship should really be about - sex should be secondary, a wonderful perk, but not the focus).

By the time all guys get a couple girlfriends they either have enough direct experience to know what they like or they’ve explored enough porn in the meantime/before/in between to know that. Its up to him to convey what he wants and experiment with his gf.

mmmm, lookin good, sin.

Porn is evil. End of story.

Yeah for reals, I hate sex hormones, they’re so damn evil. They’re only like, the reason life self-perpetuates, and what? The human race is evil? Yeah man, life itself is evil, you know? I wish we could just go back to like, geologic formations, and volcanos and shit. That’d be so fuckin rawsome. For reals, dude.

Edit: That being said, porn is vile and horrible in how it creates sexual objects out of people, and if I could just tap right into the hormonal pleasure centers of my brain through meditation, I would, in fact, there are people who can do that - and I really do think that’s a much healthier, better way of satisfying those urges which DO exist. We should all try to have better control over our minds, so we don’t need outside images to stimulate ourselves…but, at the same time, most of us don’t have that control. And until we have it, pornography is necessary. :confused:

I disagree with the idea that anyone needs sex. Maybe the sex drive can’t be reasoned with, but it’s not beyond control. You can ignore it. Calling sex a need seems like a way of dealing with shame about, well, masturbating. If you’re going to do it, then don’t be ashamed; or if you can’t help being ashamed, you can stop. Telling yourself it’s a need is just a coping mechanism.

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The desire for sex is a need because it is a core component of biology to reproduce. We’re built to do so. It not because you don’t have to do it that its not a need. If I’m thirsty, I can choose to not drink. I’ll just be thirstier later.

I disagree. When you’re in a relationship with someone, and there’s that love and lust and passion all intertwined, I don’t think there’s any porn star who can top that. Non-professional or not, THAT should be the person you want to drool over, because THAT person is real- that’s the person you’re gonna have sex with, not some fake picture. If your gf can’t turn you on, then something’s not right. ;p

Astral is right. if you have a girlfriend then you really dont need porn. snuggling is better than sex anyway.

As a note, everyone talks about how vile men are for wanting to have sex and how porn is their escape. Girls have needs too and I think we shouldn’t ignore that they do enjoy sex as long as their partner has enough skill or the 2 people involved communicate enough to learn to make the experience enjoyable. So let’s not jack off at each other’s coolness and attempts to impress the girls by showing how manly we all for denouncing that sex is naughty.

Well yeah you could ignore it, but is it healthy? Like, look, I feel the subtle snipe on my own feeling ashamed about needing to masturbate, I feel it coz I make it a bunch of times at myself, it’s nothing new. I was the most puritanical dude when I was younger, and in some ways that was cool (as the dudes from this board who knew me can attest to), but in other ways, it’s probably not very healthy. I know this. I feel it a lot, and it does hurt me, it’s why I’m talking about this subject which most people just take for granted, with like, an analytical tone. I don’t exactly have it figured out yet, and you’re welcome to offer non-sniping advice.

Like, okay. I can say, “I have this drive that’s intrinsically a part of me, but which I hate and which is wrong and bad and I should stop it because I feel it’s wrong,” or I can say, “I have this drive that’s intrinsically a part of me, so I might as well accept it and come to love it as part of myself.” That’s what I mean when I say sex is a “need.” It’s not a “necessity,” but it is a part of all human beings, males especially, and I just don’t think that denying oneself a part of themselves is a very healthy thing to do.

Some wise dude (I think it was Albert Camus) once said, “For what is happiness, but the simple union between a man and the life he lives?” I could, masturbate, because it’s what my body tells me to do, and thus free up my mind for less sexual pursuits, or I could try to focus on those less sexual pursuits while my mind is filling with hormones, producing a profound discord inside my head, which leads to believing that earthly life is a sin, and that Hell exists for all men. You ever read The Scarlet Letter? It’s a pretty fascinating book.

Maybe. Actually, ya know, you and Sin are probably right, now that I think about it. That would actually be a pretty good idea. My bad. :stuck_out_tongue:

Yeah for reals, I hate sex hormones, they’re so damn evil. They’re only like, the reason life self-perpetuates, and what? The human race is evil? Yeah man, life itself is evil, you know? I wish we could just go back to like, geologic formations, and volcanos and shit. That’d be so fuckin rawsome. For reals, dude.

I fail to see how masturbation is essential to life. And no one ever said nature was pure and innocent to begin with. In my book, inducing any pleasure onto yourself is evil. This leads to greed, gluttony, corruption, etc. It is better to give than to receive, meaning pleasure given from others is okay. Oh, and I don’t mean pleasure as in sexual pleasure, just plain, simple, generalized pleasure. By definition, sex can be okay, but masturbation isn’t. It isn’t okay to justify it with this whole concept of fulfilling a need. If you don’t do it, you won’t die. Masturbation isn’t crucial to survival, therefore it is just a form of joy. We only do things for survival or to make us happy. It’s not for survival, so therefore it only is to make us happy. Therefore, it is only a form of pleasure.

The desire for sex is a need because it is a core component of biology to reproduce. We’re built to do so. It not because you don’t have to do it that its not a need. If I’m thirsty, I can choose to not drink. I’ll just be thirstier later.
In the context - “give guys sex whenever they need it” - “need” clearly isn’t being used in the biological sense, and the desire for sex isn’t what’s being examined. It’s one-time, sexual release that’s being considered. The biological sense of need wouldn’t make sense here because 1) “whenever” implies that the need for sex comes and goes, while biological need is constant, and 2) the idea that giving guys sex can temporarily alleviate the race’s biological need for sex is nonsensical for the same reason.

Edit: Looking that over, are you saying that sex is an immediate need on par with thirst? That going without sex can kill an individual? It’s a need on a racial scale, not an individual. Not having sex with girls doesn’t mean a guy needs to masturbate to survive.

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edit sin: oops edited your post instead of quoting it. Sorry! damn admin options…

I think theres a point I can make here, but it requires we all have one big orgy.

Man I love moments like this, where you’re kinda thinking something doesn’t sit right with you but can’t figure out how to phrase it, and then someone comes along and does it. It’s just awesome to have everything click into place like that. :stuck_out_tongue:

And really, you guys are waaaay over thinking masturbation here. It’s not neccesarily that closely tied to sex, it can just be something that feels good. I believe fetuses have been observed engaging in it.

Edit: And TubaMute said it while I was typing, damn your hide TM! :stuck_out_tongue: