Freddy kreuger was fake.
Are you kidding? Because I’ve always had that sneaking suspicion that you know, the dude that could come in and out of your dreams was, well, you know, real.
Dude, you completely missed my point. If you dress up as something, the only real explanation that I can think of is that you’re a fan (which was the point of my freddy krueger analogy). So by dressing up as a Nazi, I can deduce that you liked Nazi’s and are a fan of thier idealogy and handiwork.
Which, is pretty fucked up.
I think you missed my point.
People are equating dressing up as a fictional character with dressing up as a person that advocated murdering a whole race of people.
Naturally, it’s not meant to help my case. It’s meant to justify my saying, “Please, Hades, deal with your inferiority complex somewhere else.” Hades has replied continuously to things I’ve posted over the last couple weeks, with treasures such as the following:
I just kinda decided to pre-empt his dillusions before he even started spitting them out because it’s so typical of people on RPG forums to do so, and that’s why I unconsciously went off on topics he didn’t even touch
Did you read the definition of inferiority complex? It says, “A persistent sense of inadequacy or a tendency to self-diminishment, sometimes resulting in excessive aggressiveness through overcompensation.” Hades is admittedly arguing against something I never said. “Excessive aggressiveness through overcompensation.”
I mentioned it in hopes that he’d ease his “aggressiveness through overcompensation” a bit. It would benefit me by giving me more time for other, thoughtful posts; time which I’ve been spending on someone who, <i>as he said</i>, “argues against things (I) never said.”
That wasn’t my point, which I already explained twice.
What did I ever point out to you, anyway.
I only directed anything at you after you happened to think I was personally attacking you.
Well you did directly cite an example I was using, what did you want me to think?
I didn’t mean to offend you or something, jeez.
You didn’t offend me, but you have to realize that people are going to assume you are talking to or about them when you cite something they’re talking about.
I cited something everyone was talking about.
Who else was talking about it? I didn’t read the thread, I pulled Freddy Krueger out of the air.
Besides, my point still stands - if you dress up as someone, you obviously hold them in some sort of favorable light (why else would you dress up as them on a whim?), and if you like Nazi’s so much as that you feel the need to dress up as one and parade yourself around like killing millions of people is something to be proud of…
…then somethings wrong.
Surely it’s not necessary to view something favorably, to dress up as it? Look at the previous examples of costumes: murderers, pirates, crusaders, grim reapers, pumpkins. I’ve seen every one of those costumes, and worn a couple; but have never seen any evidence that people seriously <i>approved</i> of what their costumes represented (except perhaps in the case of crusaders).
In that case I assume we’re talking about Halloween, right? (By the way, what the hell is “cosplaying”? Costume playing? Some japanese role playing or something?) The theme of Halloween is fear - grim reapers and murderers are scary :\
But if the pictures posted in the initial post have anything to do with that picture of a Japanese neo-nazi party that I saw posted here by Admiral Nagumo a while back, then I’d say it has a little more to do.
Besides - look at how “fun” it can be to dress up as a murderer or something. I mean, where’s the comedic value in dressing up like a Nazi? Walking in unison?
Welcome to one post page ago. I already said this.
Sorc, you could dress as them in an attempt to make them look bad. Say you dress as Ghandi and then start parodying what he’s done. You don’t like what he’s done, yet you still dress as him.
We don’t know if the dress-up is made to make the Nazis look bad (and looking at how sexy the girlnazis are, I’d daresay it’s not the case), nor do we know if they want to, say, take over the world for their master race.
It’s wrong if people think it’s wrong. Moral relativism is your friend. If someone would dress as a nazi in front of me, I would ask them questions about it. Some would commend them, some would kick them. You see, living in a society means having to live by that society’s moral and social dogmas at risk of being cast out of the society. Being a Nazi, in most occidental societies, is highly frowned upon (read being a Nazi as dressing as a Nazi), and as such, in those societies, it should be considered morally wrong to do so.
In Japan (I don’t know, I’ve never been there, and I seriously wouldn’t want to be there, 'cause I’d probably, with my luck, end up having to fight BunBunMaru in VF4:EVO and his Wolf would kick my ass, I digress and continue), it might not be the same. They may think : “They did some evil shit, but they were still our allies, so to not honor them as such would kind of ignoring our shameful moment where we got our asses kicked.” (Like I said, don’t take this at face value as I don’t know how they think, I don’t study the Japanese culture, I’m a fucking literature major for chrissakes), and as such, dressing as Nazis isn’t a socially repressed activity, but rather one that is welcomed though rare.
As I said, it’s moral relativism, what’s wrong in one society might not be in another, and unless we can discard this relativism, we’re not apt to judge other cultures fairly.
BTW : You don’t argue with Hades about anything, period. It’s a waste of time to convince those who’ve endoctrinated themselves willingly.
Costume playing, yeah. It’s the equivalent of dressing up as Gandalf before seeing LotR, except there’s no movie, and many different types of costumes. You’ve seen pictures from E3, right? With the booth girls dressed up as characters? That’s a form of cosplaying.
The theme of Halloween is fear - grim reapers and murderers are scary :
True, and this is why no one pays grim reapers any attention on Halloween. What if someone dresses up as the grim reaper on another date? People would probably find it strange. Nevertheless, there’s no justification for calling the person “wrong.” Why introduce moralism into a matter of personal entertainment?
Besides - look at how “fun” it can be to dress up as a murderer or something. I mean, where’s the comedic value in dressing up like a Nazi? Walking in unison?
Maybe - but it’s not necessary to understand <i>why</i> these people are cosplaying nazis: they don’t need a justification for cosplaying, just as we don’t need a justification for Halloween.
Okay, another example would be civil war recreationists. Are they people who dress up as members of the confederacy want to bring back slavery? Most definatly no, there recreating a battle as a hobby since the civil war interests them even though it killed more americans then any other War this country has been in.
If you dress up as an american GI for a costume party, does that mean you wanna bring back Japanese internment camps for fear of Tojo’s spys? No damnit, your just wearing a costume!
Is because the high school i went to name is “the crusaders” does that mean we want to eventualy go to the holy land to kill musslims while killing hundreds of jews along the way in order to start up a spice trade for the pope? No, no it doesn’t.
Cosplaying as a nazi is so taboo since they lost the war, and we haven’t had time to forget about it or pervert it yet (like the crusades or to a lesser extent the Civil War). No shit your going to piss people off by dressing like one now, and you shouldn’t do it unless you wanna get your ass kicked by someone you offend. But hey, if you wanna dress up like a Nazi, go right ahead, you wont offend me, I’d probly think it was funny since you were doing something so taboo and socialy unaceptable, but thats because i have a sick sence of humor.
What about dressing as a Viet-cong? I did that one year for halloween on state street in madison, but a lot confused me with Raiden from mortal kombat. I sapose if you dress as a nazi on state street people would confuse you with M. Bison from street fighter, or just kick your ass in general.
I really don’t care, I’ve seen Klingons go bowling and that was just funny to watch - but I can’t see why anyone would want to dress up as a nazi. I guess nazi bowling would be funny too I guess.
Alright, I got a strike!
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Hial Hitler!
Nazi baseball would also be funny. Each time they smack a home run, you get the whole team marching and heil hitlering.
Point taken. On the other hand, the objective of arguing is rarely to convince the person one’s arguing with. The more realistic objective is to persuade the third parties, who are listening and not saying anything. Hades, of course, will not be persuaded of anything; but people who are keeping track of the argument might be.
nazi iron chef
nazi DDR
yeah nazi’s are pretty funny, lets look at the facts
Hogan’s heros=awesome
Raiders of the Lost Arc=awesomer
Wolfenstine=awesomest
Return to Wolfenstine=awesomeester
Nazis are like the spanish in a zoro movie, or communists in a James bond movie, or the A-team they can’t ever hit a damn thing