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Originally posted by Dragon God
[b]From my point of view, I don’t think 20$ is too much to ask for about an hour and 20 minutes of music(assuming it’s chock full).

I buy the original VGM CDs simply out of respect for the artists out there. I put myself in their shoes… I wouldn’t be too thrilled by making a wonderful work of art, only to have it pirated and getting squat in return. [/b]

Thank God (and Dragon God :hahaha;) , somebody’s on my side :yipee: .

Sohee, notice the :hahaha; . What I meant was that I am not against old roms. Since PS and GBA games are still in production (I’m not totally sure on the PS, but it still a fairly new system), I shun using them.

Xero : I do download soundtracks to sample before I buy, so I’m not 100% mr. nice guy :stuck_out_tongue:

I’m not going to grill you DG. I’ve broken my beliefs a few times too. Now I have a reputatation to maintain :hahaha; :

As long as they’re for sampling…

There’s no way you’ll want to grill me after you’ve seen this (Shameless Plug, I know :P).

Originally posted by BahamutXero
Sohee, notice the :hahaha; . What I meant was that I am not against old roms. Since PS and GBA games are still in production (I’m not totally sure on the PS, but it still a fairly new system), I shun using them.
Oh, ok. Sorry bout that, but just to remind you, they’re equally illegal, new or old.

Originally posted by Sohee
Oh, ok. Sorry bout that, but just to remind you, they’re equally illegal, new or old.

I think copywrites on video games last around 100 years, or it could be 99 (anyone know?). So depending on the game, you still have only 85 to 90 years to go :yipee:

Originally posted by BahamutXero
[b]What you claim is 100% correct you are stealing a digital “copy” of the songs. It was the original person who shared the song that is the copyright infringer. Then again, you downloaded that song through someone who downloaded from the inintial infringer (you get the idea right?). In effect, you are willingly receiving stolen property. I don’t know how the laws are where you live but I’m sure you’ve heard the phrase “possession is 9/10 of the law”.
However, you are stealing something of value. It’s called intellectual property, and it applies to music, software, formulas, blueprints, etc. See, the companies expect you to go to the store and buy the CD, not download them off the Internet. Of course the world isn’t made up of all good boys and girls…

Throws a lump of coal at TD

…and they lose the sale because some asshole desides, “Oh, lets start up a program that people and share music files and rip of the record indrustry.” In other words, they’d probaby have the sale if Kazaa any other of the file-sharing programs exist. I have no problem with the new subscription based Napster, or iTunes, because they actually have the legal responsibility to filter out copyrighted files. [/b]

<img src=“http://www.rpgclassics.com/staff/tenchimaru/td.gif”> Yes, we have intellectual property laws (woo, laws in Holland, awesome), but you still can’t compare the two. They only have very basic similarities.

As for roms, yes, I download roms. Hell, I could probably start a romsite with what I have on this computer. However, I definitely try to buy the games I like. I mean, just look at my GBA roms. I have every GBA rom ever dumped on my HD, but I don’t play them since I greatly prefer playing them in cart. I also think it’s a fairer price to ask 50 bucks for 50 hours of entertainment. The games that are just bad (or which I don’t have the systems for, like the Atari roms I have) I play on the emulator. From my reasoning, this saves me money and urges videogame developers to produce more quality titles.

Also, services like Napster or iTunes are actually pretty damn succesful. I definitely think that this is the future of marketing, although there will always be pirate programs (can’t really do much about that, nor does it matter much, since the majority of people with the actual resources to buy the stuff buy it in one way or another). The music CD is an outdated piece of technology, really. Why pay 30 bucks for 15 songs when you can pay 10 bucks for hundreds of songs (one of the Napster services, 10 bucks, you can download whatever you want all month), AND be allowed to copy them, burn them and everything. You also can’t really cram CDs into a convenient MP3 player, which can store hours more music in it.

First off: Kazaa users aren’t a fraction of the pirates the Record companies are.

Think about it. What is the definition of piracy? If you ask WikiPedia.org, it’s “The use of copyrighted material without the express consent or, usually, written permission from the copyright holder.” But if you ask Courtney Love, it’s “When you steal another person’s work with no intentions of paying for it.”

If we go by Courtney Love’s standard, isn’t that what the record companies mostly DO? They get filthy stinkin’ rich, and pays maybe 0.1% of the revenues to their artists. Now, don’t get me wrong. I feel that if you like an artist, you should support them. You should buy their products if you can. But there isn’t really much to support. From those $20 you pay for that CD, the artist maybe get 2 cents. The rest is put in the record-companies pockets.

I can personally say that without mp3s, without Kazaa, I’d never have discovered the bands I’m listening to today. Artists and bands such as Nightwish, Shaman and Chris Hüelsbeck never get exposed in record companies. Radio stations doesn’t play them; It’s a risky affair at best. If you want something underground instead of all the mainstream crap that’s in the ether today, your only choice is to go to the internet and the various online radio stations out there.

I’d say part of this entire mess is because only a few artists playing about the same music gets aired today, both on radio stations and television channels such as MTV. Not everyone wants that music, thus the record companies have created a void that only a media-rich distribution channel such as the Internet can fill. And filled it, it has.

So who gains? (Underground) Artists gains on it; They reach out to more people by having their music circulating on Kazaa. The end user gains on it, having more music to listen to, thus developing a particular taste and doesn’t waste as much money on CDs they do not wish to have.

Does the record companies lose then? Well; Not really. The only thing they lose are potential profits. There was a recent study that suggested that the record industry would employ 8000 more people if piracy were cut with 75% - But that’s assuming that all the pirated copies were actually sold instead. That’s not going to happen.

Also, look at programs such as Photoshop and 3D Studio Max; I don’t think any person at home legally has these programs. I don’t know about you, but $2000 is just too much to pay for any single program, no matter how good that program is. I could’ve gotten a new computer for those money.

Yet, it’s actually in those companies favor that they get pirated by private persons; Just think about it. All of a sudden your work has to buy Photoshop. Because that’s what you’re used to, and it’d be cheaper than re-educating you to use something else.

Having mp3 copies of the music circulating the web creates free advertising more than anything else. 'Nuff said.