People are perfectly capable of change. Clearly giving this guy a sandwich isn’t going to move him towards any, though.
Well, we now know whose house to stop by at for a free meal if we ever start wandering around Europe.
People are perfectly capable of change. Clearly giving this guy a sandwich isn’t going to move him towards any, though.
Well, we now know whose house to stop by at for a free meal if we ever start wandering around Europe.
Yes.
Do I care? It doesn’t matter what happens to him. What matters is that he doesn’t parasite off other people. People don’t change. In no way is he entitled to get other people’s stuff because he’s a screw up. Accountability is a bitch.
I know. I also explained why that was futile and childish.
Rehab doesn’t help you, you help yourself by putting yourself in rehab and sticking to it.
As much as I would feel sorry for this guy, only you can pull yourself out of the gutter. Trust me.
Cavel, you got the moral hazard at work and no adverse selection to hinder you.
My home’s my castle, aye?
Come on, why do you care about those other people ?
Offer to give him a lift somewhere, get him really drunk, drive him out to the middle of a wilderness and leave him there.
See if he asks anything of you then.
I understand your point, but without trained proffessionals (who deal with this all the time) by your side, rehab is nothing.
Yeah, but half of rehab is actually getting there. And without actually being there, trained professionals or not, rehab is still nothing.
Sin, I agree with you that she is living in her own little bubble, but I still think it was stupid to say my family was retarded as we weren’t agreeing, or even her as this is only one area of her life.
Oh, and Cro, this was the first time he was in the house, or this would’ve come up much sooner.
And I wish I had a castle for a house. Then I could install a moat to keep him away.
You don’t need a castle - just a shovel and a strong back. Hop to it.
In that case, you need to clarify that the rest of your family is against your mom’s actions, which you haven’t. If that isn’t the case, my statement stands for reasons described.
You don’t need trained professionals to avoid evolving into a screw ball and remaining one. Furthermore, as Sorc said, professionals aren’t going to do the job for you, which is a concept we are all aware you will forever be unable to understand, Setz.
Cavelcade, did you ever think maybe your mom just feels sorry for him and isn’t trying to seriously help him?
Come on now, Sin. We all know your just jealous of the way Setz has a way with the co–roosters.
Professional counselors are not useless. Way back when, in the long-long ago of the 1990s, someone close to me was able to kick a drug habit only after being dragged off to rehabilitation. Having someone on hand to circumvent an addict’s typical attempts to fall back into an addiction can go a long way towards the person with the problem being able to kick it.
Not every single action we do in our life has to have deep meaning or lead toward some greater purpose. Clearly it makes your mom feel a little better on the inside to help this guy out from time to time. We all do stuff every now and then to make ourselves feel a little better, whether it’s dropping a quarter in some bum’s cup, super sizing that mcdonalds now and then, or giving a poor, hopeless dreg a few bucks or some food. I find it strange that some people could get so enraged that a person does a charitable act to someone. Not everything has to lead toward your master race of robotic, selfish, lolbertarians. If this guy comes to your door, don’t give him anything if you don’t want to. Who cares if someone else wants to? Hell, who cares if he wants to “help” himself or not? If he did, he’d do what you all said he’d do.
On the other hand, I can see how you’d feel uncomfortable with having this guy in your home, so just tell your mom honestly how you feel about it. But seriously, giving some food or cash to this guy now and then really shouldn’t affect you, unless she’s giving him money she’d use to by your own family food, which I doubt is the case. If it gives your mom a bit of piece of mind then I think you should just forget it.
Dito to zep, actually. o_O How can you jump at a person who’s just trying to help? If it makes her feel better and if she wants to do it it’s her business, just tell her next time that it wasn’t okay for her to just let him in without asking you first. She’s a grown woman and if she feels sorry for him and it’s obviously not been dangerous so far, what’s the big deal? Jesus christ, she made an ex- criminial/bum a sandwich. That doesn’t make HER one. Solidarity, anybody?
I don’t care when she does it at the door, it was when she brought him inside the house with HIS track record I got uncomfortable.
And sorry Sin, I thought I had said outright that the other members of the family were against it, which I didn’t though I did imply it when I said ‘we all agreed’, though I can understand why people weren’t picking up on it. My bad in that case.
Oh, and DT, he hasn’t so far, but he’s pretty obviously insane, so I wouldn’t trust that to last at all.
Well if you’re concerned about something actually happening to her, talk to her about it and maybe she can find a different way of helping him…? Letting him into your house might be pretty dangerous, I can see that. And how is he insane exactly?
I do agree with pretty much everything you said, except for “there’s no inherent goodness in people.” Not to sound flowery or anything, but my personal philosophy in life is that you can never learn basic reasoning, and you can never LEARN to really BE a certain way (I generally refer to them as virtues, cos it makes me think of that one plato dialogue where he asserted the same thing). Rather, I think that reasoning and virtures are things you’re born with - you simply have them or you don’t. Time doesn’t allows you to learn these things; but rather, it gives you a chance to make a decision on how to act. Most people just find it easy to act on a particular virtue in some situations, and to not act on it in other situations.
We have done just that and he won’t be left back into the house DT, whatever about giving him sandwiches.
And well, an example is that when coming here, one of my brothers saw him talking to a golfball (which he steals off golf courses to sell <<). But he’s just generally well…unstable I guess is the best word. You could never really predict what he was going to do (besides drink -_-).
…talking to a golf ball. xD I like that. Well, as long as she isn’t around him for too long, it should be fine I guess. :o He probably needs some kind of professional help, which he is unlikely to get so uh yeah. Just tell your mom to be careful and maybe have an eye on her when she’s dealing with him, and make sure she keeps the money giving or sandwich making or whatever it is short and things should be fine.