Breath of Fire's Storyline

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First of all, thanks from me too for posting about the BoF storylines. I love Spoilers, don’t cha know! ^^ However, I’m still NOT convinced that BoF III is the same World as 1-2’s, or 4’s (haven’t played 5 yet.) First of all, WHY do these lookalikes keep reappearing every few centuries?? Are they reincarnations, or does this world have a really small gene pool? More importantly, are the land masses the same? If not, it’s very unlikely it’s the same world, since it takes millions of years for continents to change their shape (barring unknown disasters, that is.) I still think we’re dealing with Parallel Worlds/New Versions here. Still, I want to hear Seraphym’s theory on that.

And yeah, there are far, FAR uglier bosses out there.

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Not bad. Not bad at all. There are a few things I’ll be commenting on, but I’ll leave 'em 'til your last post. And I still need to actually complete DQ. And I still want a BoF character in a capcom fighter as a FIGHTER, not just a character in the background, rar.

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There’s some as background?

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I know SE said questions at the end, he can answer this when he’s finished, but I just gotta ask…

Where in BoF1 did it say the Obelisk landed on Ryu’s hometown? Was it something slightly referenced to in the Ending? Because I’m pretty sure that in the very last part of the ending (the ‘good’ ending anyway) Ryu is seen walking back to his hometown, very much in one piece and non-crushed.

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FFX-2 came out later. not sure about Chrono Chross though.

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Obelisk’s landing spot is just an assumption, it didn’t land right on top of it, but according to both maps, it was around that same area. Sorry that wasn’t clear, I’ll fix it now.

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Sorry I’m late.

Now, with the exclusion of V which I have yet to play, BoFIV is by the far the most continuity-fucking game of the series. I’ll only give you the summary and I’ll explain what this all means later. Also, I apologize if the Fou-Lu sequences are timed off, it’s been a while since I played. Their timing isn’t very relevant since the only points in which they interact are the Astral/Aura and Tyrant/Kaiser awakenings.

The game is set in another world with in similar qualities as the BoF1 world, except that the Brood don’t exist. Here’s a basic rundown:

[ul]
[li]The clans are all rather numerous and there are no prominent racial disputes.
[/li][li]The humans are still the most numerous, but not by all that much.
[/li][li]The present clans are: Manillo, Fae, Woren, Grassrunner, Frog, Kitsune (New clan) and human.
[/li][li]The Fae have wings, but no Great Bird power. (Like in BoF2).
[/li][li]The world lives under the protection of the god-like dragons Endless.(Check the fifth post for a very important explanation on this)
[/li][li]The world is politically split in two. On one side you have the Fou Empire and on the other you have the Alliance (With most of the clans and “friendly” cities). They have taken turns to make war to each other for centuries; nobody even remembers why they fight anymore.
[/li][li]The Empire developed a magical weapon called the Carronade or Hex-Cannon. It uses the suffering of human sacrifices to lay waste upon huge areas.
[/li][li]The world is physically split by an ocean of mud (!?). There is a real water ocean on the north, though.
[/li][/ul]

Heeere we go:
[ul]
[li]Princess Elina of Wyndia went missing in the border town of Synesta. Her younger sister Princess Nina and the Woren Chief Cray go on an unofficial (And unauthorized) mission to rescue her.
[/li][li]I suddenly realize that every game intro revolves around someone’s sister/adoptive brother gone missing.
[/li][li]Nina and Cray try to cross the desert in a Sandflier, but are attacked by an Endless (I refuse to acknowledge those things as dragons. Fifth post again) They need spare parts so Cray stays with the ship and Nina goes to the nearby town (Shouldn’t that be the other way around?)
[/li][li]In the way, Nina stumbles across a giant crater and sees a Dragon (That’s more like a dragonfly if you ask me). The beast disappears.
[/li][li]Nina meets a completely oblivious, apparently amnesiac and buck-naked Ryu. Ryu [STRIKE]loots[/STRIKE] borrows some clothes from a merchant. Nina tries to help Ryu by taking him to the city, and gives him the King’s Sword (The Alliance symbol) so he’s not completely useless.
[/li][li]From this point onwards, Ryu is Nina’s bitch.
[/li][li]Ryu and Nina travel trough a canyon and Ryu does a fantastic head-dive into the rocky ground. Oucho. They decide to spend the night.
[/li][li]All the way on the other continent (Hesperia) the tomb of the age-old Endless Emperor Fou-Lu opens. Fou-Lu awakens from his slumber and I must say that he is a total Sephiroth ripoff with an annoying speech. Fou-Lu heads over to Imperial Capitol Chedo to reclaim his throne, sorta.
[/li][li]Seems Fou has a welcome committee of the non friendly type. His own servants, while very polite and respectful, have the order to kill him. Fou-Lu is actually a dragon with MAD SKILLZ and starts to slaughter his enemies like bugs.
[/li][li]Yohm the executioner (I might be mistaken with the name) summons a monster to kill Fou. Fou-Lu awakens the dragonfly-looking Astral Dragon Form. Needless to say that he wins.
[/li][li]The old executioner sets up a trap to weaken Fou-Lu by using fire (Since he is Water-aligned. Fifth post). Succeeds, but Fou manages to escape, though highly wounded.
[/li][li]Ryu and Nina wake up. Ryu can now turn into the Aura dragon. Nina doesn’t even notice for some odd reason.
[/li][li]They arrive to the town of Sarai and look for Sandflier parts. Ryu still has no memory. Lots of stuff until they end up in a bar.
[/li][li]Empire soldiers enter the bar saying that they are looking for a dragon. The spot the princess and try to… kidnap her? Doesn’t matter really, they fail.
[/li][li]Enraged for being beaten by a little girl, the enemy general (Rasso) insults Ryu. Ryu gets pissed and breaks the King Sword on his armor. It apparently hurt like hell and Ryu and Nina are forced to escape.
[/li][li]While fleeing, they arrive to a Hexed town. Trying to cross they meet Ershin, who remains quiet a mystery trough the first half of the game.
[/li][li]They cross the Hexed town and rejoin Cray. Ryu has a prophetic dream that tells them where Elina “might” be. Ershin says that it was thanks to the “Eye of The Dragon”.
[/li][li]The party heads to Synesta. They meet the Mud Endless and a woman who sings a song about the Endless. I don’t remember it correctly, but it was just foreshadowing.
[/li][li]It is now pretty clear that Ryu is a Dragon.
[/li][li]Around now, Fou-Lu recovers from his wounds thanks to a hermit lumberjack and tries to fly over to Chedo (He can do that now since more of his power is awakening). Fou is shot down by a monster summoned by Yohm.
[/li][li]Looots of traveling crap. They get to Synesta and find out Elina was taken to the Empire and that a resident merchant might be able to give them a ride over there.
[/li][li]They meet the Manillo merchant Marlok and his bodyguard Kahn. Ryu also beats Kahn for the first time.
[/li][li]Weird mingame crap. Confusing scene in which Nina may or may not have been raped by Marlok. They finally use an Empire teleporter (A magical one, not technological) to go over to the other continent. They also fight Rasso and cause a malfunction on the teleporter.
[/li][li]The party tries to infiltrate an Empire city and are captured by a Kitsune magician named Yuna. They are sent back to the Alliance capital city Ludia as prisoners.
[/li][li]The Alliance isn’t happy about several things like infiltration, violation of treaties and the “disappearance” of the King Sword. Cray is put in jail and trailed for execution.
[/li][li]Ryu and Co get a Grassrunner Ronin called Scias stuck on them for “protection”.
[/li][li]The party searches for Cray’s mom to ask her how to help his son. Faeries appear. A Desert of Death-esque scene ensues. I still don’t get what’s the deal with the gliding snail, since you can cross the plains on foot later on.
[/li][li]Cray’s mommy tells them to find the King’s Sword, but unfortunately Ryu already smashed it. The only option is forging a new one. They head over to a volcano.
[/li][li]Lots of questing stuff, you make a sword out of faerie shit. Back to Ludia.
[/li][li]It seems the Empire had the same idea as you, only faster. They gave the Alliance their fake sword in exchange for a big mass of territory. Ludia is not happy, Cray is royally fucked.
[/li][li]You break into the castle at night and rescue Cray. Scias doesn’t seem to mind arguing that his job was just to “Keep an eye on you”. The party escapes and heads north towards Wyndia.
[/li][li]Ryu gets conned into being the Faerie Mayor again.
[/li][li]You arrive on Wyndia. The king is relieved to see his daughter and tells you to go to a tower and talk with their guardian spirit, a Wind Endless with a Chinese name (Something-ryong).
[/li][li]Somewhere around here, Fou-Lu awakens in a farming village in Hesperia. A farmer with a different but equally exasperating speech disability called Mami has been taking care of him. She disguises Fou as her cousin Ryong.
[/li][li]Pseudo-Romance stuff ensues. Fou kicks monster butt, the people of the village get suspicious of his power.
[/li][li]Ryu does more questing and they arrive at the tower aerie. Scias betrays the Ludians in favor of your party and you take off flying on what could pass for an oversized kite.
[/li][li]The Wind Endless doesn’t really do much but foreshadowing, and he tells Ryu to go to the summoning place, a village called Chek. He also blows you over there (Not like that you perv).
[/li][li]Everyone in Chek is a child thanks to the magic of their summoning, their leader, the Abbess identifies Ryu as one half of the Yorae Dragon (Translation anyone?), the most powerful of the Endless. The other half being the ancient emperor Fou-Lu. He also explains that the Endless have a habit to draw people near like a vacuum and that those who get intertwined in the Endless’ fate also share it.
[/li][li]The Abbess also detects the aura of the Endless inside of Ershin. You go inside of Ershin and find the sealed Goddess. Yup, it’s Deis again. It seems that she was summoned to this world, but somebody screwed up and she doesn’t have a body. She’s not very happy either.
[/li][li]I’m not sure if they explain this to you, but “Ershin” means “Master”. So Ershin wasn’t talking about himself in this person, he was referring to Deis.
[/li][li]A medium offers her body to Deis. She is eager to oblige and Ershin becomes a useless scrap of metal.
[/li][li]Deis explains that before Ryu and Fou meet, they must get Ryu to be as powerful as the Emperor, so that he does not get absorbed by him.
[/li][li]The Party head to the summoning place to talk with the Endless. They do. Along the way, they are followed by the empty Ershin. It seems that some of Deis energy is still on him, allowing him to move. Deis orders him back to the village.
[/li][li]The imperial guards have found Fou-Lu. Mami sacrifices herself so he can escape. I still don’t get why he doesn’t morph and chew them, but oh well. Fou heads south.
[/li][li]The Endless tell Ryu that he must find their true form to gain their (Fairly useless) power. Ryu gets his first summoning skill.
[/li][li]Rasso attacks Chek and tries to kill the Abbess. Ershin uses his last energy to protect him.
[/li][li]Ryu comes back and finds the Abbess still alive inside of Ershin. You head to the north village to protect the refugees.
[/li][li]Along the way, you are captured by an empire general, a Kitsune called Ursula.
[/li][li]You are late and Rasso killed just about everyone. He summons another mechanical warrior for you to fight. The robot has a magic shield which makes him invincible.
[/li][li] Once Ryu is defeated, he awakens the [STRIKE]Bahamut Xero[/STRIKE] Kaiser form and performs his best scene ever, going fucking berserk and incinerating both the robot AND general Rasso. Ryu gains ten coolness points.
[/li][li]Nina latches on to Ryu to stop his killing spree. He drops unconscious. From this point onwards, Ryu can transform into a berserk Kaiser and Fou-Lu can use his Tyrant.
[/li][li]Fou-Lu proceeds towards Chedo, but Yohm fires the Carronade on top of him using Mami as the sacrifice. Fou is gravely damaged and loses all his remaining faith in humanity.
[/li][li]Back in the village, Deis takes pity on the poor scrap of iron and goes back into Ershin’s core. Ershin re-joins, this time with magical powers (So Deis, kinda joins too).
[/li][li]Deis and the Abbess realize that for Ryu to control Kaiser, he must gain the power of all the Endless. They also con the captured Ursula into smuggling them into the Empire.
[/li][li]You start your journey back into Hesperia, this time you take the long road, as you smashed the teleporter.
[/li][li]You get a Sandflier. Best mini-game ever.
[/li][li]Lots, and I mean LOTS of traveling subplot stuff happens. None of it relevant. Ursula kinda starts to like the party. Ryu peeks on Nina and Ursusla while bathing and almost gets shot (This scene was censored in the American version).
[/li][li]You FINALLY arrive to southern Hesperia and Ryu should have gained all the Summons, allowing him to control Kaiser. It doesn’t ownz as much as the previous Kaisers, though.
[/li][li]Half-dead but royally pissed off Fou-Lu arrives to Chedo. It’s show time.
[/li][li]It seems like Fou-Lu left the care of the empire in the hands of a rich noble while he slept, with the promise of taking it back once he awoke. The current emperor didn’t feel like giving away his empire, so he ordered Fou killed. Dork.
[/li][li]Yuna gives the emperor the Dragonslayer sword, which supposedly can kill the Endless with one blow.
[/li][li]Fou’s completely awoken Tyrant form slaughters all resistance. Another of his guardian dogs goes off to lay waste on the city under his command.
[/li][li]The emperor tries to kill Fou-Lu but fails miserably. Fou snaps and decapitates him.
[/li][li]I should peel the skin off from whoever thought it was a good idea to censor that last scene, because it was fucking awesome.
[/li][li]Ryu and Co beat one of Fou’s guardian dogs and cross trough his tomb.
[/li][li]Going back and forth, the party finds Elina, Yuna, the Dragonslayer and kills Elina (That scene was so sad, especially since the fox escaped).
[/li][li]They arrive to Chedo. The city was completely devastated and Ursula’s adoptive father killed. Ryu defeats the other Guardian Dog and proceeds to the castle.
[/li][li]The final showdown occurs between the pseudo-brothers. Its seems like Fou has lost all faith in humankind and decided to annihilate them all
[/li][li]Two possible endings.
[/li][li] 1# Ryu joins Fou-Lu and gets the Infinity form which you get to use against your own party (Wheee!), You kill them and Fou-Lu goes off to destroy the world.
[/li][li] 2# Ryu fights Fou-Lu, Tyrant and an overly powered Astral and (After one of the hardest and longest boss battles I ever had) defeats him. Ryu absorbs Fou and transforms into the humanoid Infinity with blonde hair. Ryu banishes all the Endless back to their worlds including his own essence, remaining as a mere human. He also TALKS!
[/li][li] Fou-Lu rests in peace, Ryu goes back to his friends, Deis sticks around, Yuna is still alive and Nina probably keeps the ex-dragon chained to her leg for the rest of his life. The End.
[/li][/ul]

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“Endless”

Let me get this clear: Endless are NOT Gods and they are NOT dragons. As far as the game implies, any really powerful creature can be summoned to be an Endless, immortality is not even a requisite. Endless is a very… endless category.

Also, “God”, “Endless” and “Dragon” are used as synonyms. This is NOT correct. The only two certified Brood in the game are Ryu and Fou-Lu, I have my doubts about the summoned dragons, but Deis and Elina have NOTHING to do with the Brood.

“The Destined Child”

It’s pretty clear, for the first three games at least, the Destined Child is a god-sent Brood who has an enormous amount of power, higher than anybody else in the clan.

It would seem that they are not blood relatives of each other, but just appear at Ladon’s command upon the earth, with the same appearance and name each time (The Dragon God isn’t very original, methinks).

Each one of these children have the combined powers of all the Brood factions (Fire, Water, Thunder, Darkness, etc), an ultimate innate form (Kaiser) and the ultimate Brood Power (Infinity).

However, this concept is a bit compromised in BoF4. As I said before, the “Endless” are not really gods, just very powerful creatures with an extended longevity (It is stated that the Endless DO grow old, that’s why Fou-Lu had to put himself in stasis until Ryu appeared).

My take is that the Yorae Dragon is nothing more than the Destined Child, being Ryu and Fou-Lu it’s two halves. I’m basing this on the following facts

[ul]
[li]Together, they have all the elemental attributes (Ryu’s fire, Fou-Lu’s Water and the attributes they both share)
[/li][li]Separated, they can only go as high as their innate forms (Kaiser/Tyrant)
[/li][li]Ryu doesn’t have enough power to control Kaiser by himself, which makes him inferior to his predecessors (They were all fine with the Kaiser form).
[/li][li]You put the two together and you get the Infinity Dragon.
[/li][/ul]

So in BoF4, you don’t control one of the Destined Children, just half of it.

“The Power of The Dragon”

There are (Or at least were before the first war) several different kinds of factions inside the Brood, separated by their elemental proprieties. That’s how you have Thunder Dragons, Fire Dragons, Water Dragons, Black Dragons, Light Dragons, etc.

As I stated, The Destined Child (Who I will refer to as simply Ryu because it’s easier) can use the powers of all the dragon factions regardless of his own bloodline (Ryu1 and Ryu2 are the only ones that clarify what faction they belong to). They have, however, two special forms:

Ultimate Innate “Kaiser”
Named as:
BoF1: Rudra
BoF2: G.Dragon
BoF3: Kaiser
BoF4: Kaiser/Tyrant

Kaiser is Ryu’s ultimate innate default form. By innate, I mean that it’s only HIS power (In opposition to Infinity, which is the power of the whole clan) and by default, I mean that it’s his “real” form as a Brood (All the other ones are powers granted by Ladon to the Destined Child). You could even go as far to say that Ryu is a one-man (or four-man) faction of the clan, as he is the only one of the Kaiser species.

Ultimate Brood “Infinity”
Named as:
BoF1: Agni
BoF2: Anfini
BoF3: Berserker Kaiser/Ultimate Kaiser
BoF4: Infinity

Infinity is the combined power of the Brood which is even greater than most of the gods (Hence it being summoned as an Endless). Ryu is the only one capable of using this power.

You could say that Ryu fights by himself when he uses Kaiser, but he gets handicap from his whole clan when he uses Infinity.

“Two Worlds”

As far as I can see, the world is the same from BoF1 to 3. Here are my fundaments:
[ul]
[li]The progressive disappearance of the clans, beginning in BoF1 to the human-majority of BoF3.
[/li][li]The Fae’s slow but constant degeneration beginning with Ryu1 banging Nina1.
[/li][li]Myria’s grudge against the Brood. Why would she move to another world if the race she hates is right there?
[/li][li]Dragon Empire/Techno Age ruins.
[/li][li]Deis says in BoF4 that she wants to return to her world. WORLD. Singular word.
[/li][li]The mural in Dragnier showing the 8 Warriors from the legend. How would they know about that if they were on another planet?
[/li][li]Ladon “appears” in the first three games, but not in the fourth (Which IS on another world)
[/li][li]It is clearly stated that Myria changed the world’s shape to protect it from being swallowed by the Desert of Death.
[/li][li]There are several other reasons, but I think that I made my point.
[/li][/ul]

BoF4 however, is clearly set in another world, although I covered that on the previous post.

“Dragons”

This is just a list of the relevant Brood that appear in the four games, nothing special. I’m sorry but I forgot Ray’s last name (He had one, like all the BoF2 cast).

BoF1:
[ul]
[li]Ryu –Light Dragon-
[/li][li]Sara –Light Dragon-
[/li][li]Zog –Black Dragon-
[/li][li]Jade –Black Dragon-
[/li][/ul]

BoF2:
[ul]
[li]Ryu Bateson –Light Dragon-
[/li][li]Yua/Patty Bateson –Light Dragon-
[/li][li]Valerie Bateson –Light Dragon-
[/li][li]Ray –Black Dragon-
[/li][/ul]

BoF3
[ul]
[li]Ryu –Faction Unknown-
[/li][li]Teepo –Looks like a Black Dragon. Dunno-
[/li][/ul]

BoF4:
[ul]
[li]Ryu –Faction Unknown. Fire-Aligned half-
[/li][li]Fou-Lu –Faction Unknown. Water-Aligned half-
[/li][/ul]

I’m not sure about the summoned dragons from BoF4. They do give Ryu powers and stuff, but they don’t look like any other Dragon in the game, so they might just be random Endless from various races.

“Lookalikes”

I have little to no explanation for this. Ryu has an excuse for being in each game, but Nina is a different story. Nina2 is Nina1’s granddaughter, and Wyndia obviously is the same realm on the first three games, but I have no idea what excuse Nina3 has. Not even mention Wyndia and Nina4, which aren’t even on the same world.

Yes, I know this isn’t all, but I’m tired. So start asking your question and pointing mistakes so we finish polishing this up.

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Seraphim, you tha man. That was great. Thank you very much.

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Again, thanks for the detailed synopsis and theories, Seraph, that was an impressive effort! Still, I’m not totally convinced about the links to BoFIII. Let’s see:

-“Myria’s grudge against the Brood. Why would she move to another world if the race she hates is right there?” Because this is NOT the same Myria as in the previous game? Alternate Reality, remember? In fact, from what you say, it seems that the previous Myria was EVIL, which the one in III was not.

-The Mural featuring the 8 Heroes indeed appears in III, but at NO moment are the characters in it identified. For all we know, it’s ANOTHER set of heroes. Same deal as with Myria.

-About Myria changing the shape of the world: if she had the power to do that, why could she not use it to get rid of the blasted desert in the first place? Awkward logic, no? It’s like curing the disease by killing the patient.

On the other hand, I’m now convinced the first two games took place in the same world. But since the basic concept of the BoF games is to rewrite the same characters in different stories, and they could only do that so far with the reincarnation/descendants deal, we can assume the rest of the games are indeed disconnected. Especially DQ, where the characters barely even look like their namesakes.

In any case, thanks for the chance for the in-depth discussion of the Breath of Fire games… You’d think arguments like these would be more common in an RPG MESSAGE BOARD. ^_~

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First of all, let’s have in mind that this is a Capcom game, so we should all be glad that there is even a continuity.

I never said she was evil. Myria considered the Brood to be evil based on the destruction of the Techno Age (They DID kinda devastate the world), so she manipulated the factions into killing each other. She never really made any attempt to hurt any other clan (Deathevans was a screw-up according to the Brood from Dologany).

This is what in my country we call “Buscarle el pelo al huevo” (You know spanish right?). Of course this COULD be possible, but in the same manner Ryu could be an interplanetary assassin sent from Vulcano to kill demon criminals hunted by the Earth Federation. Think about it, which theory seems more likely?

Because then there would be no excuse to make a game, Myria used the Dragon technology to split the continents, she never had the power to stop the world’s degeneration.

Not to dismiss a possible explanation completely, but c’mon. You are looking for logic in a game the features a teenage boy who turns into a giant dragon and an ancient plant God that looks like an oversized onion. It’s a Capcom game so I’m not going to waste my time cracking some probably nonexistent logic.

In any case, those are my arguments, it’s up to you to believe them or not. And thanks for the compliment.

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heh./… now I know who to come to when I’m working on a BOF fic for info. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Stick me in the list as the BoF master then. I’d do the BoF4 shrine if I wasn’t too lazy to learn HTML.

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I can say from my experience that Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter (or Breath of Fire 5 if you like, but it wasn’t called that in North America :P) has no continuity with the rest of the series, like, at all. :stuck_out_tongue: I don’t even get all hardcore about the series, but based on what I know about the series, and what you’ve said, Seraphim, check it:

  1. The whole game takes place underground.

  2. There’s almost no different tribes or crazy people. There’s like, two or three Woren in the whole game, and everyone else is a human. Things like the Brood don’t exist, and the endless, among tons of other tribes, are never even mentioned. The only thing that states that one of the main characters, Lin, is a Woren, is the instruction manual.

  3. The people that do become Dragons are ‘chosen’ by the spirits of Dragons. There are no different forms of Dragons and such; there are simply just Dragons, and that is it.

  4. Nina herself is a human. You wouldn’t be able to guess by the art, and maybe not even the first time you play the game at all. But, she’s definitely hiuman, man :stuck_out_tongue:

I mean, I guess it’s POSSIBLE that it takes place in the same world as one of the BoF games, but no one knows anything about what the world was like before the earth’s population was forced underground except for one of the main villains, and nobody ever asks him. My verdict: Highly doubtful.

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Seraphym: “Buscarle el pelo al huevo” (looking for hairs on an egg), eh? Not “Buscarle la quinta pata al gato?” (“looking for the cat’s fifth leg”)? :hahaha; To use a more American term: Splitting hairs? No, actually, I don’t think I have.

It’s like this, Seph; ALL fiction involves a degree of suspension of disbelief- things we KNOW are not real, but we accept for the sake of the story. BUT, it also must follow some real-world logic- the less logic it has, the harder it is for the audience to connect with the story. In the case of Fantasy Fiction, we accept that magic, dragons, etc. exist. BUT, the story STILL has to make sense in things such as human motivation, laws of physics, etc.; Granted, some stories are more convoluted in their logic than others, and it can be quite tiring for some people to try to follow them. As a comic book fan, I guess I’m more used to disentangling these things than most of you are. And no offense, but none of your last arguments really countered my last points. The Myria in III doesn’t sound like the earlier one, and in fact, from my own playing the game (twice) I recall she blamed HER OWN PEOPLE, not the Brood, for the destruction of the Techno-Age. She and Deis are their last survivors. She didn’t blame the Brood, she was just afraid their hidden power would destroy the World. And let’s face it, the mural was there just as a homage to Breath of Fire II, but at no moment was its significance explained in the story. This is just like the way most Final Fantasy games include homages to earlier games as a thrill to the players, without being intentionally linked to each other.

But it’s OK. You made quite a titanic effort at unraveling the Breath of Fire continuity already, and I think all of us who posted here enjoyed it. All arguments eventually reach a point where there is either nowhere else to go, or no will left to continue. And to be honest, I’d rather see ten more threads like these than another one on politics or religion.

So once again, thank you. ^^

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Pocket Fighter for PSX has one stage background where you can see Nina and Ryu in… And that’s pretty much all of it, I’m afraid :confused:

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“Did you see the mural in your way here? That picture shows the ancient heroes who sealed away the goddess ages ago.” - Wise Man of the Dragon, BoF3

It’s not an exact quote since I don’t have the game’s script at hand, but you get the idea. Of course the old fart never says “That was another Ryu from long ago” but hardly ANYTHING is explicitly stated in the game’s main plot, 90% of BoF’s data is gained either by talking to random characters, listening extremely carefully to otherwise meaningless dialogue or by simple deduction.

But we’re just slamming out faces against closed doors here, it’s obvious neither one of us is going to change our minds, so let’s just drop it.

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That Spanish saying sounds a lot like Ockhams Razor, which is repeated a lot in my CSI classes, basically the simplest explanation is probably the right one.