Okay … so. When I try to load fricking huge AVI files (i.e. AVI files of movies like MST3K: Manos, which is like 800 mb) with certain programs (other than Media Player Classic – I tried it with Windows Movie Maker and another video editing thing), said certain programs crash. This happened with multiple “fricking huge” video files, so I know it’s not just the problem with the individual files. Anyone know what’s happened and how I can fix it?
Kay, it wasn’t the size that was at fault: it crashed trying to load TRON 2.0’s opening videos, too.
… and, finally, I have ruled out the possibility of it being a codec problem, since I uninstalled every single codec I could get my hands on, reinstalled it with the DefilerPack, and it’s still causing crashing. (Oh, and XviD isn’t working at all from Windows Movie Maker anymore.)
Computer specifications?
By the “windows movie maker” thing you’re either running ME (ew) or XP (meh), so that’s good thus far.
I’m guessing it’s either an encoding. Not codec, just how the video editor handles the decoding of the video is the problem. You may have to either look up how to re-encode files (TMPGEnc or Virtualdub/VirtualdubMod) or just give up entirely.
Well, if you just want to get to watch videos, consider downloading other programs like VLC player. It’s pretty stable and plays more file types than WMP anyway.
Nah, he said it runs in MPC, just not in video editting software (unless I read it wrong)
Well…it SOUNDS like encoding, because MPC works, and other programs don’t. This makes sense, because MPC is probably set up to expect codecs to change posisition/version, whereas i doubt Microsoft expects their users to do so, and probably didn’t enable WMM or WMP to rescan for new codecs.
However, it being a codec issue would not cause the player to fail silently. All it should read is the header info in the avi, determine what compression it is, then look for an appropriate decompressor, not open the entire file. (right? steve/someone else, back me up here?) And in this case, it would fail with the good old “Unable to find an appropriate decompressor”, not be silent about it.
How big is the Tron 2.0 file?
It’s on XP.
Besmirched if I know how big the file is; I think it’s buried in one of the .REZ files. And, uh, Tron 2.0 crashes even with “movies off” checked, so it might have a different issue entirely.
As for “fail silently”, it doesn’t, it gives the “This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down” message (I dunno if that counts). And it has no problem importing it and playing the preview; it’s just when I try to add it to “current project” for actual editing. (I’d wanted to make it smaller without lowering quality (too much).)
Yea, that counts as silent.
So, re explain what you’re trying to do here.
You’re trying to play a game that fails due to the movies not loading?
or
You’re trying to reencode a video file straight from a rez pack?
or
You’re trying to reencode a video file using WMM/Adobe Premiere/Something other than VirtualDub/VirtualDubMod
If it’s the first one, like you said, movies off still crashes it, it’s a different problem.
Second one? I don’t think that’s even possible, but try extracting it from the rez pack first then trying
Third one? Just download <a href=“http://www.virtualdub.org/”>VirtualDub</a> or <a href=“http://virtualdubmod.sourceforge.net/”>VirtualDubMod</a> and use those programs to reencode it.
Edit: also, dev. you’re right in your assumption of how it runs those files.
(Straight from the wikipedia entry on AVI)
AVI, an acronym for Audio Video Interleave, is a multimedia container format introduced by Microsoft in November 1992, as part of the Video for Windows technology. .avi files contain both audio and video data in a standard container that allows simultaneous playback. Most .avi files also use the file format extensions developed by the Matrox OpenDML group in February 1996. These files are supported by Microsoft, and are known unofficially as “AVI 2.0”.
It is a special case of the Resource Interchange File Format (RIFF), which divides the file’s data up into data blocks called “chunks”. Each “chunk” is identified by a FourCC tag. An .avi file takes the form of a single chunk in an RIFF formatted file, which is then subdivided into two mandatory “chunks” and one optional “chunk”.
The first sub-chunk is identified by the “hdrl” tag. This chunk is the file header and contains metadata about the video such as the width, height and the number of frames. The second sub-chunk is identified by the “movi” tag. This chunk contains the actual audio/visual data that makes up the .avi movie. The third optional sub-chunk is identified by the “idxl” tag and indexes the location of the data chunks within the file.
By way of the RIFF format, the audio/visual data contained in the “movi” chunk can be encoded or decoded by a software module called a codec. The codec translates between raw data and the data format inside the chunk. An .avi file may therefore carry audio/visual data inside the chunks in almost any compression scheme, including: Full Frames (Uncompressed), Intel Real Time Video, Indeo, Cinepak, Motion JPEG, Editable MPEG, VDOWave, ClearVideo / RealVideo, QPEG, MPEG-4, XviD, DivX and others.
Uh. I was trying to:
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[li]Play Tron 2.0, which now crashes every time I try to load it. (I’m downloading the update right now; I’ll see what effect that has)
[/li][li]Resize a large movie file I have, which has NOTHING TO DO with Tron 2.0 so that it didn’t take up so much hard disk space.
[/li][/list]
Well, I’d suggest using virtualdub/mod to resize that, and Tron 2.0… I have no idea. I’ve never tried playing it.
The only thing i can think to try is to refresh your codecs. Uninstall them (if possible, i don’t know how this works on windows, so i don’t know what to tell you to click) and then reinstall them all at once, by way of the defilerpak.
It sounds like one of the codecs (if not all) is CORRUPT, not missing. If it tries to run video, it must think it is able to do so, not realizing that the decoder is ruined.
Again, this is just a shot in the dark, so try it only as a last resort, but i can’t think of anything else to tell you. The fact that it spans multiple programs rules out it being a program specific issue, so the last remaining choice is the codec/decompressor.
Right; I’ll hafta hunt down every single codec on the aforementioned list (apart from Quick/Real Alternative, I guess).
EDIT: Whoops, looks like I already did. Hmm …
I had a similar problem with another game. It would alway crash when I went to spend EXP points. It played small WMVs in the window. I found out that vobsub was being loaded all the time trying to overlay onto the video and the game didn’t know how to handle it. Check your system tray for a few instances of crashed vobsubs.
Though this might be another shot in the dark, if the game plays any type of video.
As for the large video, I recommend using VLC to just view the file and check if it reports anything weird.
Well, I installed the update patch for Tron 2.0, and that fixed the crashing problem, but now the SFX doesn’t work (the music works fine).
And, uh, I need to get my hands on a more universal XviD codec, because now Windows Movie Maker says I don’t have the proper codecs (and MPC plays it just fine). It does, however, still crash when I put on any other AVI files in Movie Maker.
(Related to a different AVI problem)
Okay, just one thing, I don’t know whether this is really a problem, as opposed to me just being ignorant, but…
I recently got FFVII: AC, and tried to play it, and it all works fine, but the English subtitles just don’t show. They’re saved in an SRT file inside the ‘AC’ directory…
Any ideas?
Ninten:cool:
http://agora.rpgclassics.com/showthread.php?t=24073
Similar problem, the codec packs listed there should be able to use that file.
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And the suggestions listed by Tron 2.0’s help file cause the sound to stop working altogether. Should I try uninstalling SP2 to see what’ll happen?
K, I uninstalled SP2 and that seemed to solve everything. Of course, now I lack the few positive sides of SP2, but …