Ys.

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#4

I’ve thought about getting Origin, but the main detractor for me is that I’m not really interested in Ys for the overarching story; I’m interested in the adventures of Adol Christin, specifically. A lot of the games’ charm also comes from the silly ideas I have about Adol as a person (I mean, he fucking runs into enemies until they die…and in Oath In Felghana, he does billion-hit combos, canceled into magic combos, canceled into more sword combos, etc. until the enemies are eviscerated. He might be a good guy, but he is fucking batshit insane!). I intend to finish the series, and then maaaaybe I’ll try Ys Origin.

All those games - Both different versions of Ys IV besides the Vita version, as well as Ys V - are in English, now.

Ys IV’s two versions have the same basic setting and characters, but they play out much, much differently. There’s Mask of the Sun, the SNES version, and Dawn of Ys, the Turbo CD version. As an aside, Dawn of Ys even has an English fan dub to supplement the translation, which is pretty cool.

Most people appear to like Dawn of Ys better, probably because the production values are superior…but, I think the game is boring, wildly inconsistent (yeah, there’s anime cutscenes and CD audio, but the in-game graphics are disgusting, and the NON-CD audio/sound effects are NES-caliber noise), the story flows poorly, and just feels too much like an apology for Ys 3. But, very much in the minority for that opinion, so who knows? I played both, because I intend to play Memories of Celceta soon enough, and it takes queues from both of the different narratives.

Mask of the Sun, on the other hand, is much clunkier, and some things, namely the magic system, are kind of obtuse for no reason. But, MotS makes Celceta a much more unique, exciting location to visit than Dawn of Ys, and the whole game is much faster, both in gamespeed and length (6 hours versus Dawn of Ys’s 8 hours), keeping it from getting boring/annoying.

Ys V has a cool story, but the gameplay is lame as fuck; it is like a really bad Illusion of Gaia knockoff, and doesn’t play anything like an Ys game. It was probably their attempt to get with the times, since Ys IV STILL used the “run into guys until they die” combat, but it just didn’t go so well. At the very least, the setting is interesting, and it’s very short (also 6 hours).

Anywho, I started Ys 6 this morning. It’s very…grindey. Also, it makes me appreciate Oath in Felghana a lot more. I now realize why people say Oath was “based” on Ys 6’s engine. So many changes, all for the better! But, the combat is still fun, and I’m sure I’ll be enjoying myself more once I’m grinding less. …Unless, in fact, the entire game consists of “get to new place, grind about nine levels, finish new place, repeat”.

#5

Ys3 was an interesting Zelda clone with some fantastic tracks. Its action however doesn’t compare to Ys 7 and Ys 4 for PSP/PSVITA. Ys 7 is spectacular. I really liked IV but some aspects didn’t feel as polished as 7. Still I really enjoyed it.

Ys 1 and 2 are interesting idiosyncracies with interesting music but weird mechanics.

#6

I really can’t wait to play Seven/Memories of Celceta. Partly cos I’m interested to see how the series evolves, and partly cos I just wanna see how the story plays out in Celceta (Before the Vita version, there was never a version of Ys IV actually developed by Nihon Falcom, so I’m curious to see what their take on the story is).

#7

From what I’ve heard, Celceta is basically Adol Begins, preceding both his trip to Ys Country and to Felgana as evident by his sudden lapse in fashion sense (whereas Dawn at least takes place immediately afterwards).

#8

That would be interesting, yeah…especially seeing as MotS and Dawn of Ys take place two years after the events of the first two games. The story is sort of a tie-in, and it makes 1, 2, and 4 a trilogy of sorts.

#9

I played Ys 3 back in the day and have been tempted periodically to go back, but I never took the leap. Which one of those is your favourite so far?

#10

Easily, Oath in Felghana. Which might be nice for you - it’s a “do-over” of Ys3, so you’ll be familiar with the story. It just replaces the “Zelda 2” type combat with “Zelda with batshit insane combos” combat.

I did enjoy most of them, to be honest. I just can enjoy games under weird pretenses, sometimes. Like, the first two Ys games are archaic and not especially amazing; but, they are super fast, and it’s really funny to just run into enemies until they die. It’s funny to be overleveled and kill a boss in three hits. On the flipside, it’s funny to get to a boss that _just_plain_kills_you, usually after breezing through everything before that. It’s fun in a ridiculous sort of way.

But, realistically, I would have a hard time recommending the old Ys games to anyone, aside from Oath in Felghana and Ark of Napishtim, unless I knew they had the stomach for that sort of stuff.

#11

7’s the best by far, its a bit of a toss up between 4 (VITA) and Oath in Felghana for 2nd place. I love the music from both. The combat is very fun for both but both are a bit more button mashey than 7. I totally agree 1-2 are ridiculous but entertaining. I haven’t played Origins yet.

#12

Yeah, to be fair, I haven’t played 7 or Memories of Celceta yet, but I’ve seen them in action and they do look a like more “with the times” than all the previous installments. The other versions of Ys 4 play absolutely nothing like Memories of Celceta…but you could have probably guessed that.

#13

Right now, I’m kinda tossing up between Oath and Origins (since they’re roughly the same mechanically speaking). Probably Oath, since while I feel that Origins gave Oath’s mechanics that extra bit of polish as well as three different modes of play, there’s fewer instances of “go back to the previous room and clear out these newly spawned glowy enemies to advance” in Oath. Plus I generally like the ascetic of running around the countryside for the odd plot coupon more than constantly dungeon crawling up a tower (and now we’ve hit the Lava Land section of the tower, now the Shifting Sands Land part, and so on…).

#14

Well, I’ve more-or-less finished the Ys series. I played Ys Origin (I didn’t like it, but I admit that I was predisposed to not-liking it), and I just finished Ys Seven today (it wasn’t terrible…but, I didn’t like it). Now all that’s left is for me to play Memories of Celceta (although I’ve played both the original versions of Ys IV, so I’m pretty familiar with the story already). I have to admit, playing a game with the same engine as Ys Seven’s combat is not an exciting proposition to me. But, at least I know that the story won’t be bogged down in a bunch of metaphysical hot-garbage, so it has that going for it, at least.

#15

Having never played a Ys game before, what would be a good one to check out and get a sense for what the series is like?

#16

There’s quite a bit of difference between the games depending on which version of what you’re playing. 1-2 are a little quirky but fun, Origins and 3/Felghana are one type of action and Ys7/4VITA have their own battle system. My GF and I really enjoyed 7/4VITA and 3’s a good game, I haven’t played Origins. 1-2 are worth the ride on a discount. Overall they all have excellent music and the combat’s pretty fast paced.

#17

You know, I’m just going to throw a +rep at the Blazer Trilogy as well since those play more or less like Ys games (at least in spirit) sans any reference to red-headed swordsmen, wall crushers, or Cleria.

Plus, if I recall my video game history correctly, I believe that many of the people at Quintet (the devs of the Blazer Trilogy among other things) were staff on the Ys games prior to braking off from Falcom right around Wanderers release to make Actraiser.

#18

That’s exactly right. The two key members behind the creation of Ys worked on the series up through Ys III, then left Nihon Falcom to form Quintet.

#19

That actually makes a lot of sense if you look at the old school games. I had grown to look at Ys as more like the original zelda / LTTP, not the boring evolution into OOT and its sequels or God of War without the gratuitous violence, sex and puzzles.

#20

You can get Ys1&2 on Steam for 15$. There’s a free demo of Origins there too.

I think you can play 1&2, Origins or Oath pretty much in any order and have a good time. None of them have INTENSE BACKSTORY REFERENCES to other games.

#21

It also makes sense that their first game, Actraiser, was basically their second attempt at the whole Sidescrolling/Action/Platforming/RPG thing using the lessons they learned from Wanderers.

I really need to go back and play that game one of these days.

#22

…Aaaaand as of a few days ago, I finished Memories of Celceta, meaning I’ve completed the entire series in English (I’d actually beaten the Ys IV versions on SNES and Turbo CD, but Celceta was the new canon, and wow it changed a lot for the better). I wish I had a good explanation as to why…but, I liked it a whole lot more than Ys Seven. I was really worried when I heard it had the same combat as Seven, but for whatever reason, I just had a lot more fun this time around.

Also, although it’s probably not relevant to people who aren’t wasting their time with fan translations, it was fun to see what changed story-wise between all the versions. I also personally enjoyed hearing how some of the original music evolved - the majority of the soundtrack consisted of music from the original Ys IV soundtrack, while there were about 10-12 original compositions for this version.

Compare - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkHptsKg2oA to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ValMIEtUG8 for an example of just how far the music has come.

#23

I think its probably due to having a better party than Seven’s Ys Team Six + token four elements themed fantasy classes (though credit where credit’s due for having the Earth based one be the party Thief instead of the walking Beefstack; that went to Fire, though it did make Water’s Hunter sort of redundant outside of attacking at range).