What if Japan took over Hawaii in the Great Patriotic War

I just thought I’d post this idea.

In my opinion it would have worked. They could of invaded and secured Hawaii. But there are some issues that I’d like to talk about.

1st: Do the Japanese destroy the oil farms? Well Admiral Nagumo was paranoid. He may of ordered them to be destroyed in case the invasion failed. However Admiral Yamamoto most likely would want them to be captured since the fuel shortage that Japan was suffering would call for it. If the Japanese don’t destroy it the Americans most likely would have.

2nd: Midway To put it short the Japanese would have won. All defence would have been put to support the West Coast unless Admiral Nimitz or Halsey went for a bold move. If they did it would have been alot harder and not as flexable. When I say flexable I mean the avalible areas to strike from. I say America wouldn’t of gambled anything for Midway.

3rd: American counter attacks. The U.S.S. Enterprise was nearby but if it made a counter attack it would of been most likey found and sunk. If not sunk it would of been majorly damaged. America could start building and invade later. They still had the Pacific Carriers: Lexington, Saratoga, and Yorktown. Supplies would come faster to the Americans than the Japanese. If the oil farms remained then Japanese aircraft could have more freedom in searching and such. If not the Americans would have a major advantage (That is if everything else in the Pacific still happened. Besides Midway). The taking back of Hawaii would be difficult. Mainly because of the battle hardened Japanese. I’m not saying the Americans would have lost I’m saying it would have been difficult.

4th: Germany. Well America may have still sent troops to North Africa, but not as soon. Lend lease most likely would have continued but one thing remains. America was set to a Germany first strategy. If the Americans are getting pushed around by the Japanese in their back yard then Germany would be put on hold. Without American aid Rommel could of been victorious. And Barbarossa? I’ll leave that to your decression. I have my ideas though.

Sorry if I sound unsure. I don’t like to say that something would happen in a what if situation. I like to keep it open. Thoughts?

Captain Picard would’ve pwned the Japanese, sorry.


Then the Super Space Battleship Yamato would of paid him back.


You have sound theorys, but i think that the americans would have counter attacked before the conquest was complete. plus, you had a massive military force on Oahu. And i dont remember, but i dont think that the Japanese Fleet they took to attack Pearl had many ground troops.

I’m saying what if they did.

Sorry for being a grammar nazi, but you used “would of” repeatedly when the correct phrasing is “would have” or “would’ve” (hence the error).

Thanks. I think I got them all.

Man, i just love alternate history. Japan taking over Hawaii? Plausible scenario.
There is a sci- fi classic The Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick that explores the “what if America lost” theme. Fascinating.

It’s 1962, 15 years after America capitulated during World War II, and the strain of living under the rule of another culture is a daily fact of life in Japanese-administered California. Even a successful businessman like Robert Childan, a dealer in trendy American artifacts, worries about a misplaced word that will offend his slight-conscious customers. Like many others, Army veteran Frank Frink consults the I Ching, the ancient Oriental oracle, thankful he’s not back in the German-controlled East where his fellow Jews are still enslaved. And trade attache Nobusuke Tagomi chafes over an upcoming secret meeting that could help Japan regain its technological edge.

Your signature is the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever seen. Comrade Sergei is an idiot who needs to read his history books.

^^^ I have that book on my bookshelf. It’s damned good. Also check out Fatherland by some guy whose name I forget. Another Axis-won-WW2 thing, but focussed on Britain and what happened to the police forces there. Great read.

Fatherland by Robert Harris. Yes, i think i’ll like it.

an undefeated Nazi Germany reigns over much of Europe in 1964. France and Britain are mere puppet governments, guerilla war still rages in the former USSR, and the United States is just beginning to make friendly overtures to Berlin.

Jawohl Herr Hauptsturmführer!

Ik ben piraat!11

I don’t think it’s possible for the Japanese to have fully taken over Hawaii. Sure, if it did, your ideas are good, but yeah.

Okay, you just just keep on daydreaming. Who needs the truth?

Can you remind me of when your opinions mattered?

Then explain why the Soviet Union is the land of the free and the home of the brave.

That’s Dutch for retarded. Good job.

Damage and Macc, shut up.


and another source


Article 33. Uniform federal citizenship is established for the USSR.
Every citizen of a Union Republic is a citizen of the USSR. The grounds and procedure for acquiring or forfeiting Soviet citizenship are defined by the Law on Citizenship of the USSR. When abroad, citizens of the USSR enjoy the protection and assistance of the Soviet state.

Article 34. Citizens of the USSR are equal before the law, without distinction of origin, social or property status, race or nationality, sex, education, language, attitude to religion, type and nature of occupation, domicile, or other status. The equal rights of citizens of the USSR are guaranteed in all fields of economic, political, social, and cultural life.

Article 35. Women and men have equal rights in the USSR. Exercise of these rights is ensured by according women equal access with men to education and vocational and professional training, equal opportunities in employment, remuneration, and promotion, and in social and political, and cultural activity, and by special labour and health protection measures for women; by providing conditions enabling mothers to work; by legal protection, and material and moral support for mothers and children, including paid leaves and other benefits for expectant mothers and mothers, and gradual reduction of working time for mothers with small children.

Article 36. Citizens of the USSR of different races and nationalities have equal rights. Exercise of these rights is ensured by a policy of all-round development and drawing together of all the nations and nationalities of the USSR, by educating citizens in the spirit of Soviet patriotism and socialist internationalism, and by the possibility to use their native language and the languages of other peoples in the USSR. Any direct or indirect limitation of the rights of citizens or establishment of direct or indirect privileges on grounds of race or nationality, and any advocacy of racial or national exclusiveness, hostility, or contempt, are punishable by law.

There are plenty more.

Oh, I thought it was “Geestelijk gehandicapt”. “Ik ben piraat” should say “I am pirate”. Well, in my books anyways. Besides, I am pirate.

You’re kidding me right? You’ve got to be. The ‘constitution’ of the USSR was a sop to the western countries (America in particular) to turn a blind eye so the terror, oppression and wholesale murder of Russian civilians and politicl dissidents (read; anyone not Communist) could begin. If you read even ONE history book of Communism in Russia you would know this. What you just quoted was the text of a political document that was never ever intended to be taken seriously by anyone except the West. You’ll have to do better than that.