Really? Me too! Thats why i follow the edicts of the church and i only use the ‘rythm method’. Yup, no birth control or abortions for me, i just time my sex really well, that way when i get my girlfriend pregnant, the fertilized egg can’t implant into the wall and the baby dies 
Abortions make me feel really icky, but letting the fertilized ova die because it can’t implant makes me feel way better ^^ (and is way different!!!)
Are you telling me women who don’t have sex are murderers because an egg dies in our bodies every month?! ;_;
Hey, look at it this way: millions of sperm die in us, and the only difference between pregnant and not is that one sperm survives.
We men are downright genocidal then.
Where’dja get that statistic, son, or you just make it up off the top of your head and hope nobody said anything? Because it seems like a load of bullshit to me.
Probably a fair number before you became the dominant religion of the roman empire and went on to persecute others, just the way you’d been persecuted for a really long time. In, you know, the name of a God who says ‘Thou shalt not kill.’ Second, while not a dying breed as a whole, evangelic, Hell and Damnation preachers are dying out.
This shit was all over in the middle ages. When they ran out of normal relics, they started getting really weird.
Churches rarely altogether die out, but he means the attitude is dying down, the attitude of ‘seperation-of-church-and-state-is-for-pussies’ and ‘the-bible-says-gay-folk-are-wrong-so-let’s-outlaw-them-but-not-rabbits-which-are-equally-wrong’ attitudes.
Now, my attitude on abortion is, it hasn’t come up for me to decide, and honestly won’t be my decision if it ever does. So, while I don’t know if it’s moral/I support it/etc. or not, what I do know is it isn’t the Government’s place to do so, either. Even if I believed it was epically wrong and was definite in that belief, it is still not the Government’s place. Government’s are supposed to protect their people, at most, not impose their own morality on them.
EDIT: Oh, and I would hella be more successful with the ladies if I told them they were murderers if they didn’t have sex every month. Then again, I might well end up without thousands upon thousands of bastard children. Not bastard as in illigitmate, though. Bastard as in they’re a load of ratfuckers who make me understand while alligators eat their young.
The statistic was a little bit changed by me, but I believe it was done in the New York Times or some other paper that around 70-80 some persent of women have abortions because of what I listed back in the nineteen nineties.
Let’s face it, I’ve heard of a lotta guys talking their girlfriends, wives, etc into abortions, which is why the law was made to outlaw this kind of pressure.
The Bible thumping dying out? Well here it is, yes, but again not in the areas where the church is growing. I dislike gay bashing, though I disagree with their “active” lifestyle, so I DO hope that dies out completely.
Neither men nor women are muderers as sperm and eggs die out, because while these things constitute the beginning of life, while apart, neither one was alive as we know it by definition. Neither eggs nor sperm breathe, grow, nor eat, the three basics for life. Its interesting to note that an embreo (mispelled that) DOES eat, as the mother eats, breathes, and grows.
Weiila thanks for the info, I’m gonna look that up, because I’ve never read anywhere where St. Cathrine said anything like that before. Does Ms./ Mrs. Brynum give any footnotes or info where she got HER info? Thanks.
By the way, yeah I know they got weird with relics in the middle ages, part of that was with superstition, which thankfully the church decided to stamp out. Although we do have a piece of St. Padre Pio’s bone fragment at our house.
I’ve found some interesting links of the subject of St. Catherine (a little weird, but a saint and doctor of the church none the less)
http://www.op.org/Domcentral/trad/stcather.htm
And Jesus’ foreskin, which is also called the Holy Prepuse
lol. By the way London is drowning? Not burning?
But then again anti-abortion people would try to talk them out of abortions. That’s why the law should either address pressure toward both choices or not be passed at all.
Come on, accept your fellow man. Substitute gay with christian in the sentence above. Doesn’t sound cool, no?
Are you ok with abortions then till organs for breathing have developed?
I understand, about that, but being one of thos anti-abortion people I’d also try to talk her out, just not pressure her or threaten her like thos lunatics who blow up abortion clinics.
Why would I bother to try and talk her out of the abortion? Well believing that an embro, fetus is a living person, look up at what Curtis said, or qoated. I believe in speaking up for those who do not have a voice to defend themselvves.
No actually I accept my fellow man, I just do not believe everything that he or she does is correct.
I believe that when a child is conceived, they have a soul and thus alive, in this (though it would be hard to prove scientifically) I believe they “breathe” in a way perhaps by taking air into their bodies through the “skin”
The statistic was a little bit changed by me, but I believe it was done in the New York Times or some other paper that around 70-80 some persent of women have abortions because of what I listed back in the nineteen nineties.
Wouldn’t surprise me. I was stunned recently to learn my mom aborted twins before I was born - and her sister also had an abortion. And they both come from an intensenly Catholic family.
The problem is the Church doesn’t teach its true doctrine anymore, at least ninety percent of the priests do not. So most Catholics don’t know their faith and are easily dirifted from it. If I hadn’t been homeschooled, I would not have known a lot of mine, it was my mom who taught me the Baltimore Catechism that helped raised me firmer in the church.
Another interesting statistic is that women are more pro life, anti abortion then men, where was men are more prone to say they are pro abortion than women, back in nineteen ninety six, USA today or one of the papers from the east coast brought this up.
Just as a side thought, yes if a Church Council meet and debated, priests being allowed to marry could feasably happen again, but would it change the abuse from these priests on children? No, why? Because we’re talking about pediphiles here.
Should the bishops have kept silent? No, they should have brought it into the open, and not betray the Church, nor continue the victimization of both predator and new generations of predators and victims.
But since their betrayal is neither doctrinal, nor based in faith or morals, it DOES NOT prove the Church teaches err, it does let us know that man can create err, the person not the instutution. Jesus being God created the institution, so it is not man made, and can not therefore teach err.
Okay now that I’ve gone all Mojo Jojo and repeated myself and such, going off subject, I hope no one’s gotten too angry. I believe that women should make up their minds for themselves. Yes people should be allowed to talk to them on both sides, but not use violence to made their minds up for them.
Did you just read what you wrote? Why would you think anyone believes that’s how the rhythm method works? The most basic idea is that it avoids fertilization.
How would timing the sex change a woman’s biological cycle so the egg couldn’t implant in the wall of the uterus?
Demigod, I think Devillion’s being sarcastic.
Cite your source if you use a stsitic, kid, otherwise it’s total bullshit as far as anyone with a brain is concerned.
Oh, and Jesus didn’t start the Christian Church. He started the Christian Faith, arguably, but not the Religion. Faith enlightens people and gives them something to put their faith in, real or not. Religion is a mass-murdering lie that teaches Appeal to Authority morality, discourages thinking for oneself, and causes more of the world’s problems than anything else. Or is at least used as a backing for them.
Ziggy: About the men-women thing, CITE YOUR FUCKING SOURCES. USA Today or one of the papers from the east coast isn’t a citation. You could make that up off the top of your head.
Second, the Bible nowhere says ‘thou shalt not kill PEOPLE’ it says ‘Thou shalt not kill,’ so it seems, if you’d be up for those who cannot defend themselves, why aren’t you standing up for animals? Unless you’re a vegan, they’re a lot of rationalization (or, dare it be said, hypocrisy) in that reasoning.
Oh, and I think Sin would be more intent than action. Being damned to hell for all eternity for killing a guy to save the lives of hundreds would pretty stupid, as, even, would killing a guy for self defense. I mean, for all the prattling on about a merciful god, it seems like just about everybody would be going to hell. I mean, I’ve worked on a Saturday, so I’m just as bad as homosexuals and rabbits, according to the Bible, so I guess I’m sure as hell burning in, um, hell.
EDIT: Rhaka, yes. I have no fear, because London is drowning, and I live by the river. It’s from one of the greatest songs ever, London Calling by the Clash. <3
Okay, that’s a lot, so I’ll get right down to it.
I read a book, I don’t remember the title, I think it was arguements for Pro-Life. Anyway I don’t have it, otherwise I would give exact quotations of those statistics, but I did look them up, and they were there, in those papers.
Secondly, Jesus DID found the Catholic faith, other Christians coming off from us. In Matthew 16:18, “Jesus said, upon this rock, I will build MY Church” when refuring to St. Peter. He didnot say He would build Peter’s church, or that Peter would build His Church, or that Peter would build his own church. He said He would build His Church.
There you have it, its USED as a backing for the world’s problems by lunatics who want to mold the world into fear into their own images. You’re calling religion a mass murdering lie is akin to Adolf Hitler’s statement that “Christianity is the biggest fraud the Jews have pushed on the world.” And his attempts to create a new, neo pagan government, where he was god, akin to Odin.
God does not send anyone to hell. We choice to go there ourselves, because we turn away from Him. In the ultimate end, we are given our vast desires. If we choice to leave away from God, He’ll allow this, though it brakes His Heart. However He’s not a puppet master, He won’t push Himself on us if we don’t want it. Hell is nothing more than the absence of God, after we have heard His voice.
And lastly, KID (as I’m nearly twice your age) the Bible says “Thou shalt not kill” it means in cold blood, without regard to human nor animal. If you read Leviticus and Deuteronomy, you’ll see what laws applied to the ten commandments. So no, I stand up for those who can not defend themselves, unborn children, and the cruel hunting of animals for “sport”. There is nothing in the Bible that say’s we can not eat meat.
Go-go-gadget abortion!
Any religious-based arguments surrounding what makes abortion wrong compared to other birth-control methods, from what I’ve seen, concern the always-laughable arguments about when the soul enters the body. Given that there’s no particular reason to think that anything like a sould (non-physical intelligence) does exist, there’s really no reason to enact laws for abortion based on it, except on a religious basis, which would be quite the no-no.
I’m not fond, let’s say, of abortion, but I’d rather see abortions happening that people giving birth to children they can’t possibly support.
Arac, it was me not Rhaka. And I wonder why on earth would I think the song was called London Burning :fungah: (doh!). Hah, ingenious.
lol. :mwahaha:
Everybody wins then. (Quite poetic by the way).
Good point, if only it were followed.
“I read it once in a book” is still not a citation.
The morality of abortion is all dependent on context. A third-world country mother with too many children to support her next ward or a [financially] poor woman raped in the streets is much different from a pair of teenagers who thought themselves immune to the results of a drunken prom night.
Oh, and Jesus proclaimed that he would build his “church” (which refers to a community, not organized religion as you seem to think it does…) with Peter as the foundation.
So, it wouldn’t be, like, biased or whatnot, I guess? You know, being all supporting of pro life, I guess it’d not use statistics to suit its side, or, like, anything.
I still say he founded a faith not a religion. I think that was more meant metaphorically than ‘Dude, I’m totally building a church right here.’
No. No it’s really nothing like that at all. He’s refering to a system of beliefs, I’m referring to organized religion in general. It’s a load of lies (you need priests to understand the [text]for you/tell you what to think) commonly used as a backing for mass murder. I have history backing me steadily, Hitler doesn’t. Also, what in the duece does me saying organized religion is bad have to do with Hitler forming a God-Emperor theocracy. In fac,t that’s the exact fucking opposite thing I was saying.
No. The bible doesn’t even agree with you there, it even describes people standing at the gates of heaven when judgement comes and being sent to hell. Also, hell is described, not-so-metaphorically, as torturous. It’s not just being sad you fucked up and aren’t with god, you’re being tortured according to what you did wrong.
[QUOTE=vanguard Ziggy]And lastly, KID (as I’m nearly twice your age) the Bible says “Thou shalt not kill” it means in cold blood, without regard to human nor animal.[.quote]
I really don’t think abortion counts as cold-blooded and without regard to the fetus. Not if eating meat doesn’t, anyway. Eating meat is something you do for pleasure and personal betterment/health. If you don’t want a child and don’t have the money and support to raise it, an abortion is the same exact thing. It’s no more cold blooded than killing an animal to eat it. Second, you don’t kill the fetus, a doctor does it, and Leviticus never says anything about ordered killing.
Now, if you’ll read Leviticus, let’s look at some other abominations named in that book:
Shaving (19:27)
Rabbits (11:6)
Shellfish (11:10)
Gardens (19:19)
And there’s one somewhere in there about synthetic fabric or something, too.
So, I don’t go too much by Leviticus.
Of course it would be biased, helping those who wanted to defend their side of the position, can you really tell me of a book where a Pro-Choice person wrote that gave references that supported pro-life material? I don’t think so.
Okay faith is religion, faith deals with religion, and if we look at what his apostles thought, and their first followers, you would see that He founded a community, yes a community is just the same as an organzied religion. There are laws, structure, it wasn’t just some hippie society where they were all smoking pot and sayin, ‘dude this totally rocks!’. If you look at the Church you’ll see we are a community.
For the most part, you do need someone more knowledgeable to understand what certain things mean. Its the same as a parent explaining what this and that is. Now, when we get older, it is our onw DUTY to research this out, and even then there is nothing wrong with getting an explaination from someone who knows what to do. In fact, the Church encourages you to read these documents, and learn yourself. Now just because its a document, doesn’t mean its necesarly right. The Gospel of Mary Magdaline for instance, did it have a following from the very beggining of the community? No. Not until around three hundreds did this idea come out. Of course to keep order, and not chaos, we have people coming in and explaining why its bad, and why we need to steer clear of this.
Let me give an example of not understanding things in proper context. I think the Bible is aweful. Now am I bad for saying this? what do i mean by saying the bible is aweful? Especially the King James Version.
Hitler as a whole hated religion. Even though he saw himself as a god, he still despies religion same as the Communists. And gee, without religion how did the Soviet Union operate? Or the First French Republic, or Red China? People are slaughter because they believe there is a God not subject to the presidents, or simply because there is a god period.
Past the Bible we have theologians who have claimed from the biggining to the end that one of the pains of hell is because the souls have heard the voice of God and now no longer have the holy vision or presence of God.
The tortures are the very things we endure here on Earth. Now let me just say this comes from my own studying, as well as visions by mystics.
If you like porn, you’ll be allowed to watch it forever, BUT it won’t hold the same appeal. You’ll always feel your mom or dad is going to burst through the door, so your always peering over your shoulder. You’ll beg to look other things up, but now allow it.
Here is another example, one of Purgatory. Liars are held down and liquid metal is poured down their throat, so yes there is torture, but it is based on what we’ve done here on Earth.
The mothers who abort their children do not do so out of cold blood, nor do I think most abortionists do either, though those assumed by greed could fall into that category, to women who abort because they want to look good for the beach and I’ve heard some say this.
But what I meant was killing babies before they get a chance to life. Why not adoption? I was adopted, nothing wrong with it. There are so many people who can not have children, who would love these children, that it should be an option.
If you’re looking for people to overly agree with you, or are looking to sway someone to your ideals of thinking, you’re arguing with the wrong group of people. A majority of the users here aren’t exactly in agreement with mainstream religion.
And get that idotic zombie link out of your sig, people realized those stupid ass counter pages were retarded years ago.
not trying to get you to agree, nor try to convince, just putting out my point of view.