It isn’t about attitude, I can go into an assignment with a great attitude towards it and after a while I just can’t do it. That problem gives me the attitude of not wanting to even try.
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So homework as a whole isn’t busywork, but is there to gauge my ability to do busywork? Maybe they should have a busywork class, that way they don’t end up telling people that I can’t do geometry because I can’t do busywork.
We all have the problem of not wanting to do homework. The only group that seems capable of doing it is those diagnosed with ADHD and are hopped up and zoned in thanks to Aderall. We all suffer from bouts of “oh my god this is tedious i dont want to do this im just going to surf the internet instead.” What you need to do is learn what the rest of us have; sometimes you need to just ignore those feelings and trudge through it. Especially for subjects like math where the homework is specifically designed to teach you how to actually do the stuff.
Suck it up.
That’s because you give up too easily and too quickly. You’re just looking to blame someone or something else for your own inadequacy.
You just keep ignoring what I say.
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Sin, one time I decided to go into my room and sit down and do my homework. An hour later I was on #10. This other time I was in what is called ISS (in school suspension) where they put you in this room all day and you don’t get to leave. I decided to do my homework. I came out 6 hours later with one assignment done. I have many more stories just like these.
I addressed what you said directly in my earlier posts. You just don’t know how to respond or don’t care to.
I was talking to 984 when I said ignoring.
GSG: It isn’t about attitude, I can go into an assignment with a great attitude towards it and after a while I just can’t do it
ME: That’s because you give up too easily and too quickly. You’re just looking to blame someone or something else for your own inadequacy.
Has it occurred to you that maybe , after not committing yourself for so many years, that you are not ready for the rigors which are demanded of you? Because you never applied yourself?
And what about this?
Yes, that has occurred to me, and i hope it isn’t true.
And so I’ll respond to what you just said with something I mentioned earlier.
“If anything, the problem with the American educational system is that so many people have the same persistent belief which you have: that they don’t need it.” I will add that you are now facing the realization that you did need it in the end, but you aren’t sure what to do now that you do. This is demonstrated by your optimistic denial that “you hope this isn’t the problem”.
“What a high school diploma is for, its not there to evaluate what kind of person you are. Not going into the cynicism that it is a giant day care, that high school in theory is supposed to prepare you (even if inadequately) for the next part of your life: independence or college. Who you think you are doesn’t matter in the big picture. The world doesn’t care. The only thing your employer, or the college you’ll go to, will care about is if you can do the work that is required of you. Their measuring stick is how you did in school and your reference letters. Nothing more.”
I wasn’t ignoring. I think your problem of not being able to get the work done is just due to you not wanting to get the work done, even subconsciously. You distract yourself. You day dream. You focus on anything besides the homework partially because you think you can’t concentrate on the homework.
As for why “busywork” should be a part of the grade, if you ever took a class whose grades were wholly dependent on one or two tests, you would yearn for the days when you could do daily or weekly assignments to help bolster the grade. In reality, homework is there, at least theoretically, to help the teacher gauge how the student is coming along and if he is having any problems. The teacher should then change up the lesson plans or give some extra help to the struggling student(s). It’s a part of the grade to force the student to actually do it. If it weren’t for a grade, almost no student would ever actually do it, and the teacher would not then be able to discern if his teaching methods are getting through or not until everyone fails the test.
I want to add a philosophical twist to this: you can’t do what you don’t believe you can’t do. You limit yourself with your own low expectations and thus do not strive to better yourself, to do what appears to be “too hard”. Its hard to succeed when you never try.
Ok I get what you all are saying, and now I agree with you all, but now here is a new scenario:
A student doesn’t understand a lesson, he does poorly on his assignment, the next day he learns from his mistakes. His grade reflects that he did poorly and this pattern continues until the end of the year and now he has failed all of his assignments, but has a complete grasp of the subject. Why should his over all grade reflect his failures during practice? (he passed the tests, because he learned from his mistakes during the assignments)
That’s a highly unlikely scenario. Properly weighted classes give very little weight to homework, 30% at most (and I think even then that’s stretching it).
If you had a complete grasp of the subject you would not have done poorly. If what you are saying is true, then you will need to convince me by showing me a final exam you took for a class you completed recently. You will need to demonstrate that you Aced the test but received a poor grade for your class. Because none of us will believe you otherwise.
The only thing I am seeing here is that YOU THINK you grasped the subject according to YOUR own expectation. Your expectation however doesn’t matter. What matters is that you fulfilled the expectations of others.
I’ll try to get all the evidence and the specifics on monday. I am not sure anymore.
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Fuck that, my spirit is destroyed. I no longer have any reason to be happy now that I know I have just been lying to myself to make up for all my shortcomings. I really just need something to fight for.
Hi GAP what’s up
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I’ve been reading this thread quietly and I’m in agreement with Sin and 984. GSG, you are just being lazy and showing you cant push through things. When I got to college and some classes didn’t have homework and were primarily reliant on two or three tests, I hated it. Such as if I got an 85 on all the tests, I got a B in the class and didn’t have homework to bump me up a few percentage points to the A. Also, homework is not just where the teacher learns what areas might need more attention, but also shows students where they might be weak and need to ask questions or focus more on. Sometimes teachers don’t cover material well and homework can show them.
One issue that has not been addressed though is GSG’s original post about failing education system. To me his argument is completely stupid. A major reason for it is that American schools are said to be failing due to low test scores on standardized tests (of which there are a million now that students take all the time). If a majority of students were like GSG and did well on test (I’m assuming) without doing homework and what not, then American schools would look awesome since students would do well on the standardized tests that say our schools are failing. However, they say our schools are failing due to the results on the standardized tests. Plus homework is very subjective and different depending on the teacher, so it really is a mute argument as far as being a measure of how well schools are doing. If anything, the argument would be that homework is not challenging enough, not that it isn’t needed.
EDIT: Also, you sound like my sister who dropped out of college in here first semester because the college was not teaching her what she wanted to know. She thought that she knew better than the school. That was 7 years ago and she still lives at home and has a nowhere job.
Infonick! Long time no see dude! I hope you’re doing well!
Back to the topic at hand though, to be precise, I wouldn’t label GSG as being lazy. I think it is more appropriate to say he lacks self-motivation, he gives up easily and is unwilling to try completing something which he finds intimidating and is unsure if he will succeed.
The fact he has continued to pass classes which he should not have passed, has left him with the impression that it is unimportant to do well in subjects which he finds difficult and with the perception he knew the material anyway. It left him with the persistent belief the system and its expectations of him were unimportant and should accomodate him and not the other way around.
All these together have created a vicious cycle that resulted in what he is today.