# Machiavelli

**URL:** <https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/machiavelli/6086>\
**Category:** RPGC Main Forum\
**Created:** [January 10, 2004, 8:49pm UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/machiavelli/6086 "2004-01-10T20:49:34Z")\
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**Author:** ![Sinistral](https://discourse-cdn.rpgclassics.com/user_avatar/discourse.rpgclassics.com/sinistral/32/6_2.png) [@Sinistral](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/u/Sinistral)\
**Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 8:49pm UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/machiavelli/6086/1 "2004-01-10T20:49:34Z")

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Someone had a quote of him in their sig. What was it?

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**Author:** ![Sorcerer](https://discourse-cdn.rpgclassics.com/user_avatar/discourse.rpgclassics.com/sorcerer/32/32_2.png) [@Sorcerer](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/u/Sorcerer)\
**Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 8:54pm UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/machiavelli/6086/2 "2004-01-10T20:54:15Z")

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I never saw it.

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**Author:** ![Charlemagne](https://discourse-cdn.rpgclassics.com/user_avatar/discourse.rpgclassics.com/charlemagne/32/17_2.png) [@Charlemagne](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/u/Charlemagne)\
**Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 9:08pm UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/machiavelli/6086/3 "2004-01-10T21:08:48Z")

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What? This old thing?

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**Author:** ![Valkyrie\_Esker](https://discourse-cdn.rpgclassics.com/user_avatar/discourse.rpgclassics.com/valkyrie_esker/32/51_2.png) [@Valkyrie\_Esker](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/u/Valkyrie_Esker)\
**Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 9:09am UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/machiavelli/6086/4 "2004-01-11T09:09:35Z")

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[![](http://www.rpgclassics.com/~hideout/sprites/images/valkyrie/valstand.gif)](http://www.wewantyoursoul.com/index.php)I thought it was Epic…

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**Author:** ![Genericangstyposter](https://discourse-cdn.rpgclassics.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@Genericangstyposter](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/u/Genericangstyposter)\
**Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 11:04am UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/machiavelli/6086/5 "2004-01-11T11:04:29Z")

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> Originally posted by Sinistral   
> Someone had a quote of him in their sig. What was it?

I did.

I believe it was this one, although I could be wrong:

“Here a question arises: whether it is better to be loved than feared, or the reverse. The answer is, of course, that it would be best to be both loved and feared. But since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved. . . . Love endures by a bond which men, being scoundrels, may break whenever it serves their advantage to do so; but fear is supported by the dread of pain, which is ever present.”

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**Author:** ![Sinistral](https://discourse-cdn.rpgclassics.com/user_avatar/discourse.rpgclassics.com/sinistral/32/6_2.png) [@Sinistral](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/u/Sinistral)\
**Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 11:32am UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/machiavelli/6086/6 "2004-01-11T11:32:31Z")

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Yes . thank you!

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**Author:** ![Pierson](https://discourse-cdn.rpgclassics.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Pierson](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/u/Pierson)\
**Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 11:43am UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/machiavelli/6086/7 "2004-01-11T11:43:05Z")

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Machiavelli pwns.

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**Author:** ![Rinn](https://discourse-cdn.rpgclassics.com/user_avatar/discourse.rpgclassics.com/rinn/32/34_2.png) [@Rinn](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/u/Rinn)\
**Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 11:50am UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/machiavelli/6086/8 "2004-01-11T11:50:15Z")

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> Originally posted by Valkyrie Esker   
> [![](http://www.rpgclassics.com/~hideout/sprites/images/valkyrie/valstand.gif)](http://www.wewantyoursoul.com/index.php)I thought it was Epic…   
> ![](http://www.rpgclassics.com/staff/epicgamer/sprites/walk/Right.gif) Nah, I’m self quoted.

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**Author:** ![Ren](https://discourse-cdn.rpgclassics.com/user_avatar/discourse.rpgclassics.com/ren/32/58_2.png) [@Ren](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/u/Ren)\
**Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 4:42pm UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/machiavelli/6086/9 "2004-01-11T16:42:32Z")

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And as such, the one in government must be like the lion at most times to be feared. Machi ruled. I would like to have him as a sociology teacher in the Limbo.

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**Author:** ![Genericangstyposter](https://discourse-cdn.rpgclassics.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@Genericangstyposter](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/u/Genericangstyposter)\
**Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 6:25pm UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/machiavelli/6086/10 "2004-01-11T18:25:55Z")

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> Originally posted by Pierson   
> Machiavelli pwns.

I wouldn’t say that. Its interesting, but his views kinda disgust me. Of course, they were normal for the time- so I really can’t hold it too much against him. I do not think that Machiavelli can be applied to politics nowadays positively, unless it is to show what NOT to do. 😛