Charl: Yeah, well, I didn’t know that. I thought this was a pretty recent thing, otherwise someone would already have made a thread or mentioned it somewhere.
Originally posted by Pierson Lemme guess; people who thought the Matrix was real?
Pretty much. People across the world who meet up and do weird stuff, like stand in a forest and make bird sounds. Even if nothing is endangering the forest, and therefore nothing like Greenpeace.
Well, the thing is that people forget that this is the middle installment of a 3 part series. It’s supposed to be a bit wordier than the other movies. The first movie was about liberating Neo and releasing him as the One. The second movie is about learning about the architect and the origins of the matrix in an effort to put an end to it once and for all. The third movie will no doubt be a lot more action packed than the second was (which I think will be hard, people said the fights were boring, but I thought they were great).
Think about Empire Strikes Back. Half the movie was Yoda teaching Luke.
yeah but The Empire Strikes Back was arguably the best film in that series, which Matrix Reloaded certainly was not. Although if they had done the first 45 minutes differently (I have a few ideas) then I may have been singing a different tune.
One word as to why I don’t think people hold Jedi too highly, “Ewoks.”
As for the Empire, there is an incredible amount of drama in that movie, it is so moving. The tragic battle at Hoth; Han+Leia’s frantic flight away from the Ahab-like Darth Vader (despite all their ingenuity and derring-do they get betrayed by a friend); Luke’s confrontation with his own dark side in Dagobah (and his being shown up by Yoda about what being a Jedi really is); Luke’s pure pwnage by Vader; and of course the final “I am your father” bombshell. It’s just packed with interesting moments, whereas Jedi spent most of the movie as just an action-adventure film and didn’t really find its “soul” until Luke and Darth meet up again.
The first 45 minutes of Matrix 2 were really uninspiring. The dream sequence was interesting, but Neo’s first battle with 3 agents was lacking (and too short and not early enough into the movie), and don’t even get me started with the utter banality and redundancy of the Zion scenes. It was just 45 minutes or so of schlock and the movie didn’t really pick up again until Neo encountered the Oracle.
The way I would’ve done the beginning was this. You can have the dream sequence if you want it. Then, Neo and his merry band are working to unplug some poor souls from the Matrix (like maybe that kid they meet in Zion could be one of them for example) when they realize they’re about to be attacked. Neo dispatches say 20 or more police officers pathetically easily, and then the three agents show up, who also get their butts handed to them; this way it establishes even better how much of a superhero Neo has become since the end of the first film.
From there we can go to Zion, but at Zion it is very imperative to show two things. First, how the officials and “experts” there really doubt Morpheus’ vision (the movie did a decent job of showing this, but put some emphasis on how other ship captains and whatnot are divided on the issue but still respect Morpheus and co.'s fighting prowess). Secondly, they need to really really emphasize how much the people at Zion respect and adore Neo, they did this to a degree but not nearly enough. He should practically be worshipped by the populace as their champion or something. Lastly, cut out all the unnecessary orgy/dance scenes (we know Neo and Trinity love each other Wachowskis, we don’t need to see them screw to know this), and replace them with something that makes Zion seem more endearing and enhances the audience’s desire to see Zion survive the machines.
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