# I liked Babyskin gloves better, myself. . .
**URL:** https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/i-liked-babyskin-gloves-better-myself/15304
**Category:** Video Games Forum
**Created:** [October 15, 2005, 11:28am UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/i-liked-babyskin-gloves-better-myself/15304 "2005-10-15T11:28:22Z")
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### Author:  [@Arac](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/u/Arac)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2005, 11:28am UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/i-liked-babyskin-gloves-better-myself/15304/1 "2005-10-15T11:28:22Z")
You’ve all probably heard this already, but Jack Thompson seems to fashion himself an outspoken literary genius, as he relates a recent writing the Modest Proposal. His poor english skills for an educated man and evidently porn-penis sized ego notwithstanding, Mr. Thompson also doesn’t stay close to the idea of the original work he inanely and impotently tries to immitate. Anyway, his idea follows, precisely as he wrote it:
> [@Jack Thompson](#):
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> “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” The Golden Rule
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> This writer has been saying for seven years that violent video games can be “murder simulators” that incite as well as train some obsessive teen players to be violent.
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> I’ve been on 60 Minutes and in Reader’s Digest this year explaining how an Alabama teen, with no criminal record, shot two policemen and a dispatcher in their heads and fled in a police car–a scenario he rehearsed for hundreds of hours on Take-Two/Rockstar’s Grand Theft Auto video games.
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> I have sat with boys in jail cells, their lives over because of murder convictions, after they, with no history of violence, have killed innocents while in a dreamlike state. Said one cop who investigated such a murder in Grand Rapids, Michigan: “The killing was like an extension of the game.”
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> The video game industry, through its lawyers, its spokesmen, and its head lobbyist, Doug Lowenstein, the president of the Entertainment Software Association, all say it is utter nonsense to suggest that what is dumped into a kid’s head hour after hour, day after day, year after year, could possibly have behavioral consequences. Cigarette ads can persuade kids to smoke, but interactive simulators in which these same kids punch, hack, bludgeon, and maim affect not a wit their attitudes and behaviors, notwithstanding the findings of the American Psychological Association, published in August 2005.
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> The video game industry says Sticks and stones can break my bones, but games can never hurt me. Fine. I have a modest proposal for the video game industry. I’ll write a check for $10,000 to the favorite charity of Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc’s chairman, Paul Eibeler - a man Bernard Goldberg ranks as #43 in his book 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America - if any video game company will create, manufacture, distribute, and sell a video game in 2006 like the following:
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> Osaki Kim is the father of a high school boy beaten to death with a baseball bat by a 14-year-old gamer. The killer obsessively played a violent video game in which one of the favored ways of killing is with a bat. The opening scene, before the interactive game play begins, is the Los Angeles courtroom in which the killer is sentenced “only” to life in prison after the judge and the jury have heard experts explain the connection between the game and the murder.
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> Osaki Kim (O.K.) exits the courtroom swearing revenge upon the video game industry whom he is convinced contributed to his son’s murder. “Vengeance is mine, I will repay” he says. And boy, is O.K. not kidding.
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> O.K. is provided in his virtual reality playpen a panoply of weapons: machetes, Uzis, revolvers, shotguns, sniper rifles, Molotov cocktails, you name it. Even baseball bats. Especially baseball bats.
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> O.K. first hops a plane from LAX to New York to reach the Long Island home of the CEO of the company (Take This) that made the murder simulator on which his son’s killer trained. O.K. gets “justice” by taking out this female CEO, whose name is Paula Eibel, along with her husband and kids. “An eye for an eye,” says O.K., as he urinates onto the severed brain stems of the Eibel family victims, just as you do on the decapitated cops in the real video game Postal2.
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> O.K. then works his way, methodically back to LA by car, but on his way makes a stop at the Philadelphia law firm of Blank, Stare and goes floor by floor to wipe out the lawyers who protect Take This in its wrongful death law suits. “So sue me” O.K. spits, with singer Jackson Brown’s 1980’s hit Lawyers in Love blaring.
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> With the FBI now after him, O.K. keeps moving westward, shooting up high-tech video arcades called GameWerks. “Game over,” O.K. laughs.
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> Of course, O.K. makes the obligatory runs to virtual versions of brick and mortar retailers Best Buy, Circuit City, Target, and Wal-Mart to steal supplies and bludgeon store managers and cash register clerks. “You should have checked kids’ IDs!”
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> O.K. pushes on to Los Angeles. He must get there by May 10, 2006. That is the beginning of “E3” – the Electronic Entertainment Expo – the Super Bowl of the video game industry. O.K. must get to E3 to massacre all the video game industry execs with one final, monstrously delicious rampage.
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> How about it, video game industry? I’ve got the check and you’ve got the tech. It’s all a fantasy, right? No harm can come from such a game, right? Go ahead, video game moguls. Target yourselves as you target others. I dare you.
On several notes, Mr. Thompson is using italics improperly, as he is quotation marks, and he makes no actual citations. He states studies made, but never their conclusions, or makes references to books he never gives bibliographic information on. Had I turned this int oa literature or social studies teacher in ninth grade as an opinion essay, I daresay I would have been lucky to recieve a C grade.
Also of note, are the way none of the described agressors in Mr. Thompson’s games are W.A.S.P.s (White Anglo Saxon Protestants). Osaki Kim (with his lovably Japanese and Korean mess of an attempt at an ethnic or clever name) is most clearly asian, and Paula Eibel is a woman. In fact, the only villains who might be caucasians are the lawyers, and possibly the boy to muder Osaki Kim’s poor son, although that boy is painted as a victim, as well.
Mr. Thompson also fails to see the difference between fantasy and simulation, as his game is so thinly guised I, with no claims of grand detection ability, saw through it without even thinking about it, that it could inspire real acts of violence by glorifying realistically murders of what amount to real people at real events, while games like Grand Theft Auto take place in fictitious cities that really don’t aim to immitate anything other than large cities, and have the violence in a very fake way, with blood forming almost circular pools. It is much more clearly fantasy than his own game, although I doubt it will inspire any such acts, either.
Besides that, the sadistic nature he expresses in this article, as well as the way he actually seems to desire the creation of this game make very strong cases against Mr. Thomspon’s points. Violent videogames are all right if the violence is against people who have personal disagreements with you? That is what this article would seem to indicate, otherwise, would Mr. Thompson not be contradicting his own, earlier stated moral beliefs in an attempt to be witty against the videogame industry? That seems an foolishly large risk for one who surely has had quite and education, and must be quite intelligent to have passed the bar to take. If Jack Thomspon does indeed believe violence against those with whom me holds moral disagreement are deserving of death, does he support the Klu Klux Klan or Al Queida, and does he believe that the Khmer Rouge would be an idyllic government? If Mr. Thompson is not contradicting himself, he most surely finds the leadership abilities, determination, and efficencies of Adolph Hitler make him a fine role model. In fact, one wonders, if Mr. Thompson is not so hypocritical as some would make him seem, why he has not, if he has not, been voting for the American Nazi party, for they seem a fine fit for his morals and ideals.
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### Author:  [@Vorpy](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/u/Vorpy)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2005, 12:44pm UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/i-liked-babyskin-gloves-better-myself/15304/2 "2005-10-15T12:44:46Z")
Way to criticise the essay of a madman by writing your own ramblings. Go Arac! I’d give this essay a C.
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### Author:  [@Arac](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/u/Arac)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2005, 2:11pm UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/i-liked-babyskin-gloves-better-myself/15304/3 "2005-10-15T14:11:47Z")
Oh, and I fixed the quotation, since I had a couple paragraphs of what he said out of quotes.
Vorpy: You would grade his essay or my response with a C? If my response, what would you grade off for. I actually am working on a proper response to write him back, so real feedback is appreciated. Oh, and I already noticed the awkward sentence starting paragraph two, and I will fix that. As I will fix any typos, since this way typed right into this window.
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### Author:  [@Steve](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/u/Steve)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2005, 2:25pm UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/i-liked-babyskin-gloves-better-myself/15304/4 "2005-10-15T14:25:26Z")
Don’t respond to him. All you will recieve is “_insult_”
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### Author:  [@Arac](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/u/Arac)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2005, 2:27pm UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/i-liked-babyskin-gloves-better-myself/15304/5 "2005-10-15T14:27:46Z")
I don’t know, I hear he’s actually given some people semi-logical replies.
Plus, the more documentable insults he sends, the less credible he becomes.
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### Author:  [@Yar\_Kramer](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/u/Yar_Kramer)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2005, 2:31pm UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/i-liked-babyskin-gloves-better-myself/15304/6 "2005-10-15T14:31:21Z")
You heard he’s given semi-logical replies? Where?
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### Author:  [@Crotanks](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/u/Crotanks)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2005, 2:36pm UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/i-liked-babyskin-gloves-better-myself/15304/7 "2005-10-15T14:36:15Z")
> [@Arac](#):
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> I don’t know, I hear he’s actually given some people semi-logical replies.
Proof. Now. Otherwise, I refuse to fucking believe it.
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### Author:  [@IonMage](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/u/IonMage)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2005, 2:48pm UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/i-liked-babyskin-gloves-better-myself/15304/8 "2005-10-15T14:48:24Z")
> [@Arac](#):
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> I don’t know, I hear he’s actually given some people semi-logical replies.
> Plus, the more documentable insults he sends, the less credible he becomes.
Every time I hear him say something, he sounds less and less like an educated lawyer, and more like some… ‘Christian Terrorist’ (NOT an insult to Christians, but rather a reference to how aggressive and blind neo-puritans can be).
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### Author:  [@Sorcerer](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/u/Sorcerer)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2005, 3:35pm UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/i-liked-babyskin-gloves-better-myself/15304/9 "2005-10-15T15:35:21Z")
Where exactly is Thompson’s work published?
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### Author:  [@Arac](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/u/Arac)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2005, 10:54am UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/i-liked-babyskin-gloves-better-myself/15304/10 "2005-10-16T10:54:24Z")
I don’t know if I believe it either, but people’ve told me they recieved replies with shreds of thought to them, deeper than ‘no u’ or ‘u suck,’ and thus I will take my chances. An insult is the worst response I may recieve.
Mr. Thompson’s work can be found in interviews with im, and on his website, along with direct quotes taken of it on other websites, why? As far as I know, no psychological analysis or thesis of his has ever been truly published, as far as I can find, if that’s what you were asking. If you were asking about his sources, as I’ve already stated, he fails to properly cite them.
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### Author:  [@Steve](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/u/Steve)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2005, 12:07pm UTC](https://discourse.rpgclassics.com/t/i-liked-babyskin-gloves-better-myself/15304/11 "2005-10-16T12:07:34Z")
[http://www.chatterboxgameshow.com/jack.htm](http://www.chatterboxgameshow.com/jack.htm)
Interview MUCH worth listening to.