... Half Life 2 Source Code out in the public...

… This is most definitely NOT GOOD. I mean, even though I’m an Open Source guy, I do respect other people’s wishes to keep their code closed. I might try and persuade them to release it under the GPL, but I’d never, for any reason, steal their source code, nor leak it. Ever. And 98% of the hacker community think just like me.

Looks like Half Life 2 will have to wait even further… :frowning:

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Yeah, this might belong in the PC forum, but I just think it’s too much news to post it there. =P

Originally posted by Tenchimaru Draconis
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First time one of my threads has been linked.

shakes head
Sad.

I’m not a hacker, but if i were I’d be in the 2% part that Wert said. I’m happy to know that there’s a way to get source codes from companies, but I’m sad that with these news their security will be improved.

That totally sucks =(

Originally posted by Ren
I’m not a hacker, but if i were I’d be in the 2% part that Wert said. I’m happy to know that there’s a way to get source codes from companies, but I’m sad that with these news their security will be improved.

So you’re an admitted dickface who has no qualms against stealing something thats definitely well past the gray area like mp3s. You should know that if you did something like that and were caught, your ass is totally fucked. That’s all there is to it.

Originally posted by Sun Demon
So you’re an admitted dickface who has no qualms against stealing something thats definitely well past the gray area like mp3s. You should know that if you did something like that and were caught, your ass is totally fucked. That’s all there is to it.

Gotta agree with Sun Demon on this one. Games like this take a good amount of people YEARS to develop.

I personally have NO problem paying $50 for a game and I think that the person who ganked the code is an asshole and a lamer.

Wow Ren, you’re absolutely horrible. Do you realize fucking over companies like that makes them not want to release games? Gee, if everytime you tried to release a game, some jerk with your mentality came along and was about to get the source code and release it, you wouldn’t be too happy I’m sure. You’d lose a whole lot of money, and it’d cause delays and other such nasty things. If it keeps up, companies can go under, and many games can be lost that way.

Wow, that makes me sick.

Originally posted by Kagon

Wow, that makes me sick.

I know that. But I am evil.

That’s not evil. That’s just stupid.

<img src=“http://www.rpgclassics.com/staff/tenchimaru/td.gif”> There’s a difference between being evil and just plain being an asshole.

Ooooh, flame me.

I’m thinking of this: companies could sell games and allow people to modify them as they wish. Before someone says ‘mods exist for a reason’, I’m thinking about engine and other things. So I would buy a CD and then I can do whatever I want with the program (but distributing it for free or selling copies). Programmers could tweak the engine a little bit, create patches and all that creating miriads of possibilities for further development of the game. The company holding the copyrights of the game may elect some major user-edited versions to be the ones they will be supporting and these would run on the official multiplayer servers and all. Maybe games that run only in Windows would make their way into Linux this way. The last major game that ran on Linux that I saw was good old Quake I (maybe some other blockbusters have made their way into linux too, but I don’t have much knowledge on it).

The way things are today, when I buy a game I may only play it and create mods. If I try doing anything to the source code I may be sued.

Now, some elaborating. I am the layspeople in this area so I know I may have commited some mistakes in what I said, but what matters to me is the thing as a whole. I know this is an utopic idea and it will never come true. I’m just expressing opinions here. And last, I know that with an open source companies can’t keep their things as secret as they are today. But I think this would make competition tend more towards quality.

We can all elaborate further now. Or just keep calling me an asshole. I’m starting to get used to being flamed. I think is must be part of being evil.

<img src=“http://www.rpgclassics.com/staff/tenchimaru/td.gif”> Psst, Ren. That’s called the GPL license. A lot of games and apps are released under it, but not all of them, since Open Source isn’t usually the best way to make money from your product. And you don’t get flamed because you’re evil, you get flamed for doing stupid stuff like this or making stupid points in arguements :stuck_out_tongue:

That’s not flaming- hardly anyone here as actually seen allout flaming. We’re just being honest.

“I’m thinking of this: companies could sell games and allow people to modify them as they wish. Before someone says ‘mods exist for a reason’, I’m thinking about engine and other things. So I would buy a CD and then I can do whatever I want with the program (but distributing it for free or selling copies). Programmers could tweak the engine a little bit, create patches and all that creating miriads of possibilities for further development of the game. The company holding the copyrights of the game may elect some major user-edited versions to be the ones they will be supporting and these would run on the official multiplayer servers and all. Maybe games that run only in Windows would make their way into Linux this way. The last major game that ran on Linux that I saw was good old Quake I (maybe some other blockbusters have made their way into linux too, but I don’t have much knowledge on it).”

Companies would lose money off this as it’d be easily distrubited over the internet. If this was done, there’s no reason for companies to even make complete products; thus, quality drops. The entire idea of this even happening is foolish. Stealing someone’s work doesn’t get you any closer to this idea- it only makes it that much more unlikely. You’re backing up those 2% of hackers helps thwart your own idea. Congrats.

“The way things are today, when I buy a game I may only play it and create mods. If I try doing anything to the source code I may be sued.”

Uh, yeah, understandably. You’re messing with copyrighted material. Ever heard of a patent Ren? It’s the same deal. You don’t get to rip off people for free in this world.

“Now, some elaborating. I am the layspeople in this area so I know I may have commited some mistakes in what I said, but what matters to me is the thing as a whole. I know this is an utopic idea and it will never come true. I’m just expressing opinions here. And last, I know that with an open source companies can’t keep their things as secret as they are today. But I think this would make competition tend more towards quality.”

It’ll work when the day comes that world becomes a perfect Communist system without any sort of errors. Like I said, your backing them only hurts your own goals.

“We can all elaborate further now. Or just keep calling me an asshole. I’m starting to get used to being flamed. I think is must be part of being evil.”

You’re not getting flamed, and you certainly aren’t being evil. You’re only being stupid, and I’m serious about that. All you’re doing is spouting out random garbage to go against the rest of people and attribute it to being “evil.” You’re actually only showing your ignorance and a huge variety of subject matter.

Originally posted by Tenchimaru Draconis
<img src=“http://www.rpgclassics.com/staff/tenchimaru/td.gif”> Psst, Ren. That’s called the GPL license.
GPL Licence? Repeating yourself there

Originally posted by Kagon
That’s not flaming- hardly anyone here as actually seen allout flaming. We’re just being honest.

Honest flaming, that was.

Companies would lose money off this as it’d be easily distrubited over the internet. If this was done, there’s no reason for companies to even make complete products; thus, quality drops. The entire idea of this even happening is foolish.

Pheraps a pay2play system would help, with companies supporting one or two of the major versions of the games. But I agree, making money would be way harder.

Stealing someone’s work doesn’t get you any closer to this idea- it only makes it that much more unlikely. You’re backing up those 2% of hackers helps thwart your own idea. Congrats.

I know. I have been rethinking my position and I agree with you in this part. I regret having said that thing I said in my first post by now.

Uh, yeah, understandably. You’re messing with copyrighted material. Ever heard of a patent Ren? It’s the same deal. You don’t get to rip off people for free in this world.

Well, we’re messing with copyrighted stuff when we download MP3, even if it’s not mainstream music. And we’re all using those fservs in the chat room. Okay, this is no good justificative, but I had to say that.

It’ll work when the day comes that world becomes a perfect Communist system without any sort of errors. Like I said, your backing them only hurts your own goals.

This is kinda like saying everybody who uses Linux is a red tshirt-wearing, totalitary communist.

You’re not getting flamed, and you certainly aren’t being evil. You’re only being stupid, and I’m serious about that. All you’re doing is spouting out random garbage to go against the rest of people and attribute it to being “evil.” You’re actually only showing your ignorance and a huge variety of subject matter.

I am ignorant, stupid, I spout random garbage. What else does it take to be considered flaming? I like when you use reasons to show me where I’m being wrong, but when you resort to insults I think it’s plain flaming.

<img src=“http://www.rpgclassics.com/staff/tenchimaru/td.gif”> Yeah yeah yeah, shut up :stuck_out_tongue:

EDIT: That was a reply to Xelo. Damn you timing.