FF7 Crisis Core (major spoilers)

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#13
  1. Agreed… I don’t have proof that that’s the case, just my feeling from watching the scene. You can’t argue that Crisis Core has certainly changed some of the scenes from FF7 (Zack’s death was very different) so it isn’t unreasonable to say that that one may also have changed; it just doesn’t fall under the CC purview.
  1. Certainly they won’t, but it’s rare that I can’t figure out practically everything from the game itself. I get suspicious when they start adding in backstory that’s completely nonevident from the game.

It seems to me that their information could only be known if it was straight from the developers.

Or some guy was commissioned to come up with some more backstory to flesh things out even though they were never meant to be in the game. The FFC limits itself to what’s evident in the game specifically to avoid that sort of thing. For example, the Ultimania comes up with whole swathes of events that happen between FF7 and AC which aren’t mentioned or referenced anywhere. Another problem with the Ultimania is that since it’s never been released in English, there’s yet another block between me and the “official” information since it’s an unofficial fan translation, which we try to avoid. Hence the lack of info on FFU: After.

I don’t recall all the individual contradictions I saw, but I do remember one of them was the timeline they provided linking FF12 and FF Tactics which contradicted a Clan Primer entry in FF12.

  1. Thanks for the tips.
#14

The ‘swathes of events’ that occur between FF7 and AC were all from On the Way to a Smile, I’m assuming. Which were translated to English, and also released with certain editions of AC. So I’m pretty sure they’re considered canon.

#15

Tifa: …it’s really been a long time. Actually, it’s been seven years. You got
your wish and joined SOLDIER, quit after the Sephiroth incident, and now you’re
a mercenary… You told me a lot about what happened after you left
Nibelheim… But… Something’s wrong. I felt there was something strange about
the things you talked about. All the things you didn’t know that you should.
And other things you shouldn’t know that you did… I wanted to make sure…
But then I heard… you were going far away… And I didn’t want that… …I
didn’t know what to do. So, I thought I need more time. And that’s why I told
you about the AVALANCHE job. I wanted to be with you, watch you.

Wait. What? She meets a dazed Cloud in a train yard after seven years and she just BLURTS ALL THAT OUT? WORST exposition I’ve seen in a while!
::dekar!::

#16

She doesn’t blurt all that out. She’s thinking about it in her head. She recalls the memory in a dream sequence.

#17

The ‘swathes of events’ that occur between FF7 and AC were all from On the Way to a Smile, I’m assuming. Which were translated to English, and also released with certain editions of AC.

Eh what? What versions of AC? It’s definitely not on my version. O_o

#18

Well, you should have made that clear. (It still sounds quite unwieldy.)

#19

Sorry…I just copy-pasted it from a game script.

And On the Way to a Smile was released with the limited edition box set of AC (which, incidentally, I don’t have). It was also released with most Japanese versions and also in V-Jump, although neither of those are American.

#20

What was it? An actual book? A booklet? A DVD extra?

#21

A novella…It’s mentioned on your site.

#22

I wasn’t the one who put that in there. -_- And I’ve never actually seen it.
Maybe I need to look into ordering this…

#23

It basically tells Denzel’s life story, to clear up any confusion on him, and also about what happened to Tifa and Barret in between FF7 and AC.

However, there is one thing I’m unclear about. I’m unsure if the entire novella was released with AC, or if it was just the Case of Barret. I know that the Case of Barret was made exclusively for us US people. In any case, I doubt you could find it without actually purchasing the limited edition box set, and who knows if that’s even still available.

#24

I guess I could probably find it on eBay or something, but I’ve never bought anything on eBay and I’m leery of starting…

#25

eBay is safe most of the time. Just make sure you contact the seller before buying it to ensure it’s what you’re looking for.

#26

Yeah… maybe, but it’s my shtick. I’m still staying away for now.

#27

. Cloud was NOT a complete basket case when he reunites with Tifa. He’s still acting funny and confused, but he was acting the same way when he was with Zack. Here’s the script from that scene for reference

He still thinks he was actually in SOLDIER, right? Cloud’s self-delusion is one of the major plot points of FF7, and the end of Crisis Core basically contradicts that.

Besides, Zack’s death in FF7 still stylistically underlines Cloud’s weakness at the start of FF7. The retcon in Crisis Core doesn’t do this, even if you can make an argument that technically it can fit into the storyline.

#28

Now you all know why I don’t give a damn about all of these spin-offs. They keep on retconning the original game (and possibly each other too. I wouldn’t know though since I haven’t played any of them (though I did watch the first cut of AC)).

It’s getting to the point where they’re going to have to remake FFVII at this rate.

#29

Actually, this was the only significant retcon I can think of so far, if you discount Last Order (and you should).

#30

Maybe that’s the point. :wink:

Seriously, I can’t see Square remaking their old FFs on new systems and not doing it with 7 at some point. (And I hear the PS3 needs some good RPG games…)

#31

I’d like to see something like an ‘expanded edition’ - keeping the original dialogue script intact, but adding more scenes to flesh out the characters and plot. Sort of like how, with the U.S. release of FF7, Square added Zack and Cloud’s escape scene to help clear some things up.(this isn’t present in the Japanese version).

#32

From 1UP interview with Shinji Hashimoto and Yoshinori Kitase at E33 2008 –

1UP: Last week, Final Fantasy Versus XIII director Tetsuya Nomura said that he’s hard at work adding new scenes to the FFVII: Advent Children Complete Blu-ray release. Can you give us any update on that project?

SH: You can look forward to the upcoming invite-only fan event DKS3713 [taking place in Tokyo on August 2 and 3], where we’ll have a major announcement that will shock the fans in attendance.

1UP: Both of you named FFVII as your favorite FF game. Do you think we’ll see more Compilation of FFVII titles?

SH: Well, there’s Advent Children Complete, of course.

1UP: FFVII’s characters are so beloved that they’ll probably never go away, right? Just like Mickey Mouse…

SH: [Laughs] That’s true, because today’s 15-year-old kids were only 5 when the game released. Even though they weren’t interested in it then, now they’re getting into it. We’re seeing a new cycle of fans emerging…

a major announcement that will shock the fans in attendance!?!
It must be the FFVII remake!!!

Or:

  1. The big announcement is that the real big announcement has been postponed to TGS 2008.
  2. An FF7 jigsaw puzzle game for the Nintendo DS.
  3. A Buster Sword-oriented game for the Wii where you swing the Wiimote to attack with Zack and Cloud’s trademark weapon.
  4. A rail shooter compatible with the Wii Zapper with Vincent again as the lead character.
  5. A Nintendogs clone with Red XIII as your pet.
  6. An attempt at an FPS with Barret as the hero.
  7. A knock-off of the snowboarding minigame in FF7. Only this time, you’ll do it with a Balance Board on the Wii.
  8. A compilation of all FF7 and spin-off soundtracks.
  9. An FF7 remake and it’ll be on the Xbox 360, too!
  10. There will be no FF7 remake, sequel, no nothing. Yup, that’s the big announcement.

http://www.qj.net/A-PS3-fanboy-s-pessimistic-forecast-on-Square-Enix-s-big-Final-Fantasy-7-announcement/pg/49/aid/122264

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