This is only the beginning. Your thoughts?
I’m against it. It just gives the government more control over us.
The idea of permanently surrendering one’s independence, and even part of one’s humanity, is disgusting. Ideally, the U.N. would pass a global ban on this sort of device.
I didn’t watch the program (slow connection, would take for ever), but just from the writing on that site it looks highly biased.
You did more than I did. I didn’t even click the link. I’m just against any sort of chipping of people. Although I think the article of video says good thigns about it. I don’t want someone to be able to see where I am without my knowing it. I don’t want to be scanned. It dehumanizes me and makes me more like an animal or a product. Somethign that can just be scanned and sent through a system. It takes away from some of my individualism.
EDIT: After watching the video, the news does make the chip sound good, just as Alex Joens has been saying for years (even though it is one of his websites). The thign abotu Alex Jones is that he isn’t partisan, he is about the individual. A lot of his stuff is grass roots. His evidence is very good.
While biased, the technology does have some redeemable uses, such as the medical information. That is just a digital version of a MedicAlert bracelet. Other things like turning on lights and opening doors is just plain lazy for a healthy person. It could be a benifit for disabled people. However, the potential for it to be used as a global tracking device has serious implications. The worst case I can think of is if Bush’s Star Wars dream comes true, anyone on the planet with a chip can be target for execution.
Not really. I believe that it has been mentioned that unless the chip is externally powered (batteries and the like, it most likely won’t be, to save space), you have two choices: range or size. It’s either-or. You have to scan these things from inches away. I think we have a bit to go for GPS, and I don’t think people would go for that enmasse, unless they’re terrified of getting kidnapped or lost.
Over protective parents might do that.
Actually, PARENTS might get that. Any decent parent will have a GREAT fear of losing thier child. OVERPROTECTIVE or paranoid parents will consult it every fifteen minutes.
Mind you, outside of the implications of 1984 and conspiracy theories, this could be very, VERY useful, not only for tracking (when GPS is developed, tracking criminals gets much easier) But as mentioned, medical data, accessability for the disabled, perhaps fast monetary transatcions, would make it good for quite a bit.
The problem lies, with any new technology, after all, is if the good it can perform outweighs the evils. Look at computers: Computers have made communications and business of all stripes easier and more efficent. Yet you have hackers, computer fraud, viruses, and the potential for losing critical data if it’s not backed up to another disk or hardcopy.
Robots are good too: they make many jobs easier, and perform tasks of all sorts that would be too dangerous for people. However, the introduction of computerized robots has taken jobs from people, as maintainance of an efficent robot that needs no rest can be cheaper than two human beings who do take breaks, have a limit on how much they will work, and often demand more pay.
But then there IS the legitimate fear that it would remove privacy and make your average John Doe more easily trackable. I doubt that though. There are a lot of people in this country, and tracking those who may have “radical/terrorist/evil/traitorous” thoughts would encompass… well the entire country. Good luck trying to pull that. That might take a while.
And the fact is, the world has been getting smaller every year. It’s hard to make a place for yourself and be private with many CURRENT technologies, unless one forgoes it all and lives in a cabin in the wilderness and hungs for food. That and humanity has shown itself to have a SERIOUS exhibitionist/voyeur streak, even as many people want to try to stay as private as possible.
Did Wilf write that post for you?
No, he didn’t. And nothing against Wilf, but you can bite me TD. :bowser:
Once GPS becomes advanced enough, chips could (theoretically) be detected virtually anywhere. But I think you’re right about people getting chipped en masse. I predict it will be a slow trickle, perhaps taking many years, and not without the help of clever marketing.
The chip is perfect for everything, in the media’s eyes. Being that it’s inside you, the only way to be robbed of it is to have it dug out, or the limb removed. This is more secure than carrying a wallet, or a purse. Consider that the chips can be reprogrammed to carry any information whatsoever, and over time more and more people will say “Hmm, why not?” and get chipped.
In addition, I would expect to see large retail establishments offering the ‘convenience’ of paying by simply being scanned, rather than carrying your money the old-fashioned, risky way. No worrying about losing your cash, writing a hot check, or losing your checkbook. Just walk through the scanners at the store entrance (or wherever), and it’s all done.
The benefits of the chip will be obvious to the military. Accurate-to-the-yard coordinates of soldiers provide an obvious tactical advantage, reducing the risk of friendly fire. POWs will no longer be ‘missing’, only in limbo, as their location wouldn’t exactly be a mystery. Ditto for any MIAs. And the instant medical information on hand is obviously great for combat situations, treating the wounded. You’d probably get chipped after graduating basic training.
If the military uses it, the chip would eventually filter down into other agencies, including law enforcement, government officials, medical personnel, etc. I could list the reasons why they’d use it, but there’s so many I’ll have to ask you to use your imagination here.
I doubt any of us will see this within the next 5, perhaps even 10 years. But it’s coming, or at least a definate possibility. It may even become mandatory. And while the idea of it being mandatory may sound silly, especially to US citizens, keep in mind that the 2nd Amendment (right to bear arms) was violated by the various gun control laws that were passed several years back.
When that happened, residents of Los Angeles, CA were given 30 days to turn in any gun considered an ‘assault weapon’ (and virtually anything more powerful than a .22 was named an assault weapon) without compensation or any chance of having them returned. Basically, “Give us your guns.” Regardless of how you personally feel about firearms, take a moment to think about that. It was theft, pure and simple.
Gah, I’m going off topic, but you see my point. If enough members of government get behind something, there’s no stopping it, regardless of what it is. Things like this stroke my paranoia nerve, but for obvious reasons.
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Yes, but current technologies can do it too without having to be chipepd. We have retina (spelling?) and thumb scanning. We don’t need a chip to keep track of money. Not only that, but by doing it through a chip, you are creating the possibilty of one source of money unlinke now where there are many sources.
As for the military, it would actually be more dangerous. If the enmy is able to develop the technology, then everyone would be at risk. Also, it’d be easier to just put the technology on a oiece of equipment for battle plans. In fact, the Army, and probably Air Force too, can already keep track of locations in battles. Plus, war has changed drastically in the last 40 or 50 years that keeping track of everyone in a battle isn’t exatly key. Battles are mostly in cities now and not open fields. A screen would be cluttered and stuff.
Also, fi enough people show feelings against it, things can change. Officials are largely worried about re-election, so if they think it will cost them it, it could change their support.
Man, I cannot wait to be chipped. Hook me UP!
And Rain man, What game is that Piccy from?
You know, they said no one can skip microchip scans.
Demolition Man proved us otherwise.
It seems, as said earlier, to give the government more control over us. I’m against it.
Deus Ex, heathen.
While using it for medical information for doctors seems good, after that I grow skeptical. If I were a mugger, itd make life so easy, bludgeon the guy from behind, take the chip, and you have everything you need. Knifing someones arm is actually far easier than getting a pin number. The GPS isnt really an issue, yet. When it does become practical, then it should be limited to those who want it.
We have little enough privacy left to us already, that would just be too much for me.
Parents might want to chip their children, and who could blame them? Every parent should take every precaution they can with their children, not like you can’t have it removed when you’re an adult anyways.
Chipping criminals could be a good idea, especially those guilty of sexual crimes.